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It is probably evil of me, and may well get slapped down by my customer, who must remain nameless, but in working up these "pilot" internal REFs, I am adding "engagement" where it does not exist. The daft bit is that one of the drafts is for a group that I know is active within its own community - at trade shows conferences and exhibitions - but they somehow forgot to mention it. As someone else has kindly pointed out in a private message, a part of the problem is that the academics who write these things aren't the people who do all the knowledge transfer and engagement stuff. So they stick to their own narrow furrows. The message for your meeting might be that the people who write the REFs should be encouraged to look outside their silos for help in drafting their documents. I doubt very much of they will all have an ornery editor attacking their words. Your first task might be to come up with your own list of things that might apply. And that would go beyond the stuff that usually comes up here. Industry trade shows, for example. Some university groups put on a good show at the Technology Strategy Boards annual tech event. That should get them some recognition. MK From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Manners Sent: 01 March 2011 11:19 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] REF requests input on public engagement Dear Michael, Thanks for raising this - a very timely email! Following a very lively session on PE and the REF at our Engage 2010 conference in December, HEFCE have asked us to help them draft guidance for the new REF panels, focused on the challenge of assessing the benefits arising from engaging the public with research. We are hosting a workshop in Bristol on the 29th March to consider what that guidance should contain. A follow up workshop with a number of the new panel chairs will be held in May, to introduce the guidance and get feedback on it, before it is published later this year. If anyone is interested in attending the March event, there is more information here. We'd really welcome the involvement of members of PSCI-COM: http://www.publicengagement.ac.uk/news-and-events/events/ref-workshop. We are also very keen to compile examples of case studies which feature the benefits arising from engaging the public with research. We are interested in a variety - ones where public engagement features centrally in the activity, and ones where PE features alongside other kinds of engagement. We are obviously interested in examples of excellent practice - but equally, it will be important to look at examples of less effective practice, to help panels to develop their judgements of quality. If members of PSCI-COM have examples that you can share with us, do please contact Lisa Adlington at the NCCPE ([log in to unmask]) Paul Paul Manners | Director, National Coordinating Centre for Public Engagement Watershed Media Centre, 1 Canon's Road, Harbourside, Bristol, BS1 5TX tel: 07795 288133| email: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask] <http://www.publicengagement.ac.uk/> http://www.publicengagement.ac.uk From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael Kenward Sent: 25 February 2011 11:46 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [PSCI-COM] REF requests input on public engagement We've talked about the problem of getting academics to pay serious attention to public engagement. They won't unless they are judged on their performance. So I was interested to find that the next version of the Research Assessment Exercise, now known as Research Excellence Framework, refers to this aspect. I have just started working on a set of case studies for a university that sensibly reckons that it could use some editorial help. The guidance on writing these case studies says that "The REF should include benefits arising from engaging the public with research." Further guidance suggests that submissions should: "Show a distinctive contribution of the department's research to that public engagement activity". It should also: "Make a case for the benefits arising from the public engagement activity. This must go beyond showing how the research was disseminated." Of the cases I have looked at so far - most of them depressingly poor - none has included this stuff. Anyone interested in REF and the documents containing this material should start here: HEFCE : Research : REF : Impact pilot exercise http://www.hefce.ac.uk/research/ref/impact/ The report with this advice is one this page: HEFCE : Research : REF : Publications : REF impact pilot exercise: Findings http://www.hefce.ac.uk/research/ref/pubs/other/re01_10/ One to throw at your local academics? _______________________________ Michael Kenward OBE Have words will travel ********************************************************************** Further information about the psci-com discussion list, including list archive, can be found at the list web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/psci-com.html You may also change your settings and subscribe/unsubscribe to psci-com from the web site. Psci-com is part of the National Academic Mailing List Service, known as 'JISCMail'. 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