For graphical representation of "Deconstructing Controversial Design": http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/19/world/asia/reactordesign.html > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:18:24 -0400 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Status of "design" re Japanese nuclear crisis? Reply to Norman > To: [log in to unmask] > > Clive et al, > My comments are embedded below. Clive's post was shortened; hopefully > I didn't remove so much as to weaken his own arguments. > > On 17 March 2011 08:23, Clive Dilnot <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > [...] > > My original post asked two questions. The first was open—what does the > > word “design” mean when it is used in connection with the design of (or > > what I would call the configuration) of the Japanese nuclear plants? > > What is “design” here? What is that in the nuclear plant or as a quality > > of the plant, that causes commentators to talk of its ‘design”? > > There's 2 questions here. > 1. What did "design" mean to those who designed & built the reactor > (commissioned in '71, I believe, the design probably dates to the > mid-1960's). Things were different then. Answering this question > will help understand the context in which the reactor was originally > developed. We cannot expect modern thinking and sensibilities to > apply to a time that long ago. > 2. What does the "design" of the reactor facility mean to us today and > how does that modern viewpoint help bring out shortcomings of the > thinking 50 years ago? > > I cannot answer either of these questions in any general sense, for > lack of information. But I'd be very interested to read > well-documented accounts that do (try to) answer them. > > In my *personal* view, "to design a nuclear power reactor" means to > develop the plan for a facility that uses nuclear fission to generate > a constant supply of electricity safely and within economic > contraints. I guess the devil is in the details. > > > > > The second question, which asked "to what extent does the failure of the > > Fukushima plant throw up the generic failure of purely technological > > models of design with respect to the construction, operation and > > implication(s) of complex systems?" was both a provocation and a deeply > > serious question. This was not aimed at individual engineers, for whom I > > have enormous sympathy, but at certain view of “how to design.” So the > > intent of the second question was not to skewer some poor bastard for > > not anticipating a 10-metre Tsunami (though let us say this is a nuclear > > plant in a zone prone to earthquakes, one that has experienced no less > > than 308 separate quakes within 200 miles in the last 11 days alone). > > Above all, it was not to suggest that the ‘design profession could have > > done it better.’ They would not. > > My understanding was that they designed those particular reactors in > light of the best earthquake information they had at the time - which > is as much as one could ever possibly expect. They accounted for the > modes of vibration they'd recorded in previous earthquakes, and as far > as that went, the reactors could have withstood them. > > I need to wax technological here for a moment, because it is the > foundation of the argument. The reactors survived the earthquake, and > were properly SCRAMed (shut down in a hurry). They were not > undergoing the kind of nuclear reactions that occur during operation. > The natural decay of the fuel, however, continued. That's what > required them to keep cooling the core. But tsunami knocked out > multiple redundant systems to ensure that they could keep the cooling > systems running. What's more, the tsunami effectively isolated the > plant, so they couldn't run new power lines into the facility. I > think this was the straw that broke the camel's back. If the tsunami > had *only* knocked out all the electrical systems, I believe they > could have easily run new power before the 6-hr battery supply > expired. It was the isolation caused by the tsunami that caused the > real problems. > > All this is to indicate that what happened was a "perfect storm" the > odds of which are quite astronomical. The practicalities of > developing any product are such that at some point one must say: we > can't design for *every* eventuality, so we'll design for those of > some suitable combination of most-probably and most-severe. > > I don't think *anyone* could have done it better. Not against the > earthquake/tsunami/isolation combo. > > Whether such a 3-pack of phenomena could have reasonably been > predicted and designed for, only time will tell. I'm sure there'll be > plenty of investigation and analysis in months to come. Hopefully > we'll all get to see it. > > > > > But we are, in all likelihood, facing a nuclear crisis. > > I disagree. Could you please indicate the evidence you have for this? > > > [...] The real crisis > > then is the political one. > > It usually is. > > > > > But in relation to Fukushima we also have a technical crisis—a failure > > of technical back-up systems and of management and organization that has > > put on the table the prospect of a nuclear meltdown. > > Here, we disagree. Every system - natural or artificial - will fail > eventually, given sufficient stress. I really can't see how *any* > system could have withstood the power of the events, and I don't even > see how they could have been predicted to any degree. > > Again, I don't discount the possibility that there was a human failure > of some sort. But I think, under the circumstances, the failure of > the technical systems was totally normal given the severity of the > events. > > > > > It is irrelevant that, even in worse case scenarios, “only” the local > > population may be affected. Such scientific common-sense is useful to > > put the situation in context; it allays the apocalyptic—at least for the > > moment. But it also misses the point: the “meaning” of Fukushima is not > > in the number of eventual casualties but in the sense that here is a > > crisis that should not be occurring; and it should not be occurring (the > > public in this case intelligently perceives) because if you are dealing > > with technologies which have potential for disaster on the scale of the > > nuclear then you had damn well better make sure that you think through > > the consequences and implications of deploying this technology. > > I'm not sure I get the use of "should" in this paragraph. There are > lots of things that shouldn't - in the sense of wishing/hoping that > they don't - happen. I get the sense, at the end of the paragraph, > that Clive is suggesting particular care should be paid to nuclear > energy due to its inherent dangers. Surely, nuclear power is not > anything to take lightly. But there's plenty of other things > currently doing very real damage to people and the environment - WAY > more damage that nuclear power has caused so far, or can reasonably be > expected to cause, based on the performance of facilities around the > world so far. > > > > > In the case of Fukushima, disaster is the making not because of an > > “unexpected event” (earthquakes and thus Tsunami in this part of > > Japan are no more “unexpected” than icebergs were in the North Atlantic > > in April 1912) but because of a lack of resilience in the total system > > of which Fukushima is only one small part. > > You'll get no argument from me that the "system" that includes > Fukushima was insufficiently resilient to take the combo of the > earthquake, the tsunami, and the resulting isolation of the plant. > > The problem is that I don't accept that a sufficiently resilient > system is at all possible. > > > > > The objective engineering response to this situation is not to lament > > the impossibility of the individual engineer thinking through every > > possibility—nor to advocate bigger walls. > > For what it's worth, there are very few engineers in my acquaintance > who lament thus. > > > It is to ask a question about > > the system that, in effect, short-changed (doubtless on economic > > grounds) the conceptual procedure of thinking through the resilience of > > the system. (And which on another level short-changed also the capacity > > of local management to respond well to theshort-changing that lead them to concoct ad-hoc solutions (hoses of > > seawater as coolant) rather than, from the first moment, focusing also > > on re-connecting power, the loss of which is the real or at least the > > immediate “culprit” in this scenario. It is this failure that has seen > > today pathetic (and failing attempts) to drop water by helicopter over > > the plant, 90% of which cannot possibly reach its intended target, and > > which (as I write) is about to see attempts by water cannon to spray > > water on the reactors! Such ad-hoc responses are perhaps courageous, in > > a Heath-Robinson kind of way, but they are also evidence of severe > > systemic failure. > > Again, I do not believe it is possible to "think through the > resilience" of the system sufficiently to have predicted and avoided > this failure. This particular chain of events was astronomically > unlikely. There are I'm sure thousands of other equally astronomical > yet devastating chains of events. It's intractable to solve for them > all. > > One way to deal with such problems is to re-conceptualize it. One > re-conceptualization of this matter is to stop using nuclear power. I > would argue strenuously against that position for all kinds of reasons > that don't pertain here & now. > > Another re-conceptualization is based on recognizing that the usual > uranium-based reactor is NOT the only way to go; indeed, it's probably > not even the best way to go. I personally really like thorium-based > reactors because they produce far less nuclear waste, thorium is > something like 1000x more plentiful than uranium, the waste of thorium > reactors cannot be weaponized, and in fact many of the waste products > of thorium fission are extremely valuable "medical isotopes" that are > already in very short supply. > > And don't underestimate the fire-hose approach. See, for instance, > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-21/latest-reactor-status-at-japan-s-stricken-fukushima-nuclear-plant-table.html. > > > [...] > > One issues here is political. Should private companies be allowed to run > > such plants—when as we’ve seen spectacularly this year with the BP > > case—the companies instinct is both to cut costs to the bone and to > > abandon as rapidly as possible the site of its disasters? The point here > > is that such questions today demand to be brought into the total “design” > > process. Yet part of what we are talking about here is that while we are > > certainly talking in some ways here about “design” (this word referring > > to a configurational choice amongst alternatives) “design” is itself a > > completely inadequate term (with all the wrong associations) for the > > kind of process which needs to be undertaken. So we come back again to > > the question: what does it mean to “design” such plants? And what does > > the answer to that question tell us about the responsibilities and work > > of “design” as a whole? > > Refer to my personal sense of what it means to design a nuclear > facility. It works for me just fine. > > Having said that, I do agree that designerly thinking would be > beneficial to the development of the larger systems of which nuclear > facilities are components. > > I think of the ultimate goal of designing as the achievement of > balance. A nuclear facility plays a role in the larger system that > contains it by shifting the "way things are" in that system in many > different ways. Understanding the "forces" that exist within a > system, and that are altered by the introduction of something like a > nuclear facility, seems like a pretty important first step. > > > > > Clive > > > > > > Clive Dilnot > > Professor of Design Studies > > School of Art Design History and Theory > > Parsons School of Design, > > New School University. > > Room #731 > > 2 E 16th St > > New York NY 10011 > > e [log in to unmask] > > > > Cheers. > Fil > > -- > Filippo A. Salustri, Ph.D., P.Eng. > Mechanical and Industrial Engineering > Ryerson University > 350 Victoria St, Toronto, ON > M5B 2K3, Canada > Tel: 416/979-5000 ext 7749 > Fax: 416/979-5265 > Email: [log in to unmask] > http://deseng.ryerson.ca/~fil/