Liz ,
Thanks for that support. Nice to know your out there for me do feel free to
keep in touch off blog would be good to hear what your up to these days.
Makes me feel so much better. Glad I know that I did do my job well and that
it was him not me, so I have moved on having reflected on my practice and
realised I have nothing to get myself worked up about. I have been grateful
for those who have tried to help. Think we have slogged this to death
now....D
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From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Liz Hansen
Sent: 02 March 2011 19:06
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
... and of course Dawn there are some of us on the list who have
previously worked with you, live locally to you and your place of work and
potentially know some of the employees in your organisation ...
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From: Dr Mark O'Connor <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
I have not said where I am in the UK or what industry or anything that can
identify him
Dawn Veal 01579 370665? South West area?
30 seconds on Google
I reckon I could find out the identity of this individual within a very
short time - Given he has almost certainly a borderline personality disorder
I would ask the mods to pull this thread and perhaps repost more generically
as it is an interesting one
On 26 February 2011 09:55, Dawn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Thanks Sharon,
I have seen a lot worse things bantered on here and I thought this was
an OH support forum. I have not said where I am in the UK or what industry
or anything that can identify him. Can't believe this is some peoples way of
supporting colleagues....Thanks to those who have given advice and for those
who feel superior to the rest and make no mistakes lets hope it continues
like that for you all but if you ever need support remember what you have
written to me. In an OH role it is isolating enough without comments I have
seen today. There is a saying 'walk a mile in my shoes before you judge'...
D
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Sent: 26 February 2011 06:44
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
Might not have been the best idea in the world but this (IMHO) is an
example of a colleague who has obviouisly been rattled by a difficult case,
and wanted some support and guidance . Which one of us hasnt at at least one
point in our career?
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:10:22 +0000
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Dawn, I am appalled by the language you have used to describe this
case on a public forum, it is unprofessional and potentially goes against
our code of conduct. Regards karen Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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From: Dawn <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
Hi All,
Just to say I didn't send the manager the GP report just feedback the
relevant information as the issues raised had been related to H & S
potential exposure and potential risk to health ie breathing and skin. The
GP had said nothing significant to pass to employee hence why I did not see
him as he was deemed fit for role with no adjustments restrictions.
The glass of wine has been had....
It grates to have poeple who just play the odds to make money when
there are some people who have genuine wk related issues where real
negligence is caused and people like him are using the no win no fee
bloodhounds to fund these claims.I came into OH as my Dad died of
Mesothemioma and wanted to educate and improve peoples health but scumbags
like this make me mad!
I avoid contact with him as much as possible as he sees it as
confirmation he has issues. He has but they are not wk related.....
Thanks for your comments it helps. Yes I had consent verbal written
more than once.... he had a chance to see report yet refused. He switches
and changes his mind back and forth so much I can't keep up. The story keep
changing.
Ta all Have a good un...
Dawn
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From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
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Sent: 25 February 2011 19:39
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
Oh, blimey. Dawn, HUGE apologies if I've got the wrong end of the
stick.
Chilling with a glass of wine does sound like great advice :-)
Happy weekend everyone.
S
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:06:49 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
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oooo can you feel the tension rising in the initial mail? Is ar** a
technical term I wonder? Bless you this did make me giggle, but in a
sympathetic way.
The way I read this is that you prepared a report based on your
findings and the further reports you got from Prof C and the GP? You gave
this to the manager. I cant imagine that you would have sent the manager the
medical reports? Most OH get people back in to discuss the contents of any
FME before they send out a further report (this is contained within faculty
/BMA guidance) so technically I suppose he has a gripe, its also good
practise to tell people what you are going to say, so the contents of your
report arent a shock but if there was nothing to discuss then I cant see
that its a hanging offence, maybe just an oversight (and I can understand
why you perhaps would want to avoid meeting with him unless absolutely
necessary)
Let him get on with the grievance, I have had so many taken out
against me I have lost count (and all of them from people who sound like
they could be related to your guy). What does he want as a result of this
process? I believe he has to say what outcome he wants, he probably hasnt
thought of one yet. My advice, chill, have a glass of wine, on Monday make
sure all documentation /notes are up to speed, talk to the RCN, look at the
faculty guidelines, come home Monday night and chalk it up to experience. I
dare say this wont be your last case along these lines..............
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:45:20 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
To: [log in to unmask]
Did you send the man's manager the GP report?
The way it's done where I work is to get the client back in once the
GP report has been received. The report is then reviewed with the client
and a follow-up report provided to the manager. The GP (or specialist)
report doesn't get passed on to the manager.
I would imagine if the GP report has gone to the manager,
theoretically, the report could then be passed to the company's insurer who
may in turn be looking at reviewing potential payouts to the man...
S
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:27:35 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] EMPLOYEE WHO HAS TASTED BLOOD...
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Dear All,
>
> Wanted to see what you make of this.
>
> Man works for co for 5 years has been poor in attendence with
various issues none which prove ongoing or serious though he is a drama
queen and loves to have a potential illness.
> Since approx 20 months ago and before I came he started firstly
saying he had a wk related rash, then it came and went. put his hand in a
small puddle of diluted detergent 50:1 ratio that he claimed caused burns
( he walked past 3 basins he could rinse it in to show his manager before he
rinsed it) it was neither burns only red and no lasting damage but no photos
taken. then he decided to up the anti to say he smelt something in his work
area, felt dizzy and stumbled outside and threw himself on his chest saying
he couldn't breath. An overzealous first aider initiated a crisis and the
whole caboodle of fire,ambulance and police turned up!. He went to hospital
as the ambulance was there and was discharged home less than 2 hours later
as fit.
> I got Paul Cullinan to see him who thought as I do he's 'strange
man' and he has been cleared as fit and well. I wrote as good measure to ask
his GP if he had any ongoing health issues that might affect him at work.
Answer was no but he did say that he had had wk related dermatitis in the
past which he didn't disclose to us.
> He put in two claims against co and they have paid £2000 out for
the hand so far. He loves it and is boasting. I would fully support him but
he is a chancer and the co is really a good one but has no control over the
payout from insurer. He is now waiting for his next claim.
> He put in a letter re his manager at Xmas saying he felt
victimised and today he has sent a letter saying he weants to raise a
greivance against me as I had not gone through the GP letter with him before
I sent out the report to his manager who then went through it with him.
> The report from me basically is he is fit and no adjustments
restrictions as there was nothing from Paul C or GP. Had their been concerns
I would have expalined this to him.
> He signed my referral that states I would send a report and the
consent form which says he has the chance to see the GP report. The GP
report said he was offered a copy and to see it in the letter and declined
them.
> Can't see how I can advise his manager on his H & S at wok without
telling her and she was discussing the results with him so it was hardly a
secret and nothing came of it anyway.
>
> Have I missed somthing. I always state everytime I see anyone that
I need their consent and ask for it before I proceed. In most cases they
even know the report before its sent as I do it with them there so its all
in the open. Its on the notes and they signed the referral and
consent.....what more can you do. If theres nothing to change would you have
seen him???
>
> Just he's such a ar** wondered what you think.....
> Dawn
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