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Some buildings have local distinctiveness
some don’t- both can be on the HER. Do you record both?
David Evans
Historic Environment Record Officer
Planning and Environment
Planning, Transportation & Strategic
Environment
The Council Offices,
Thornbury
BS35 9BP
Phone: 01454 863649
fax:
01454 864473
From:
Sent: 11 March 2011 10:06
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Local Listing - a red
herring?
Hi Brian
but so would having
the building on the HER.
And that’s my
point, I don't see what Local Listing achieves that putting the record on the
HER doesn't. So whats the point?
That said, I take
Kens point that in a 2 tier authority the situation may be different, but we
are a unitary here, so from a purely selfish point of view, I am wondering if
there is any benefit in creating a local list.
best wishes
Nick Boldrini
Historic Environment
Record Officer
Tel: 0191 3708840
Fax: 0191 3708897
From:
Sent: 11 March 2011 09:56
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Local Listing - a red
herring?
Local listing may help in justifying a building recording
condition where planning consent is obtained for demolition or major
alterations.
regards
Brian Giggins
On 11 March 2011 09:25, Winfield, Hugh <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
Nick,
A local list should be used to flag
buildings (or whatever you decide to put on it as it's not exclusive to
buildings) that are of greater interest than your standard HER entry, and
therefore should receive more attention and require stricter planning control than
usual. The key to ensuring control of a local list is to Article 4 everything
residential and to keep a four-yearly log of the buildings on the list in order
to catch any unauthorised alterations before the 5-year enforcement deadline is
reached. A local list also needs to be approved by the Borough's planning
committee and put in the LDF or SPG to show that the council will take a hard
line when making decisions on any planning application affecting the
monument/building - this floats well with most planning inspectors who will
back up the council's hard-line.
A local list should also make sure that
buildings etc of high importance are flagged up before any planning
applications are validated, which is especially important when trying to make
sure that the developer submits an assessment of significance.
As you know, I'm compiling our borough's
list, and although it only contains buildings at the moment, I will eventually
move archaeological sites onto it once the councillor's are used to the idea of
working with an updated and modern list.
Cheers,
Hugh
Hugh
Winfield
Archaeologist
Development
Management
Regeneration Department
Origin
Europarc,
North
DN37 9TZ
Tel: (01472) 32 3586 Fax: (01472) 32 4216
Balfour Beatty working in partnership
with North East Lincolnshire Council
From:
Sent: 11 March 2011 08:21
To:
Winfield, Hugh
Subject: Local Listing - a red
herring?
hi folks
I am not sure if
many of you have been doing this, but I have been looking at the draft criteria
for Local Listing and I am confused.
What is the point
of Local Listing?
I can see a
historic reason for their existence.
As I understand it
, Local Lists used to be purely buildings or structures (i.e. built environment
objects I suppose), and were a way of identifying those of interest which were
not Listed Buildings to ensure their protection.
To me, that sounds
very much like an SMR but for buildings. It is recording non-designated assets
to make sure they are protected.
Given that HER's
are supposed to now have a wider remit and should include Historic buildings,
it seems to me that the idea of a Local List is a bit redundant.
If something is
worth protecting, stick it on the HER and that will ensure it will get flagged
up during Planning or other land-use change processes and can be taken into
account.
As I have read the
document, the wording about what a Local List is seems to me to overlap
massively with what the HER does.
So why have a
Local List?
I can also see
disadvantages to the new Local Listing proposals.
The new regime
would need to include all aspects of the historic environment, which means
drawing up a Local List would be more involved and time consuming. And I can
see it being increasingly hard to argue for preservation of things not on a
Local List, if you have one, as the creation of the List is a de facto raising
of status of a particular Heritage Asset. The guidance says this isn't the
case, but the vary act of rating some things as worthy to be on a Local List
and others not will have that effect in practice I think.
So what is the
point of creating one? Couldn't you just say the Local list is anything on the
HER?
I may be missing
some things here, but would be interested to know what people think.
best wishes
Nick Boldrini
Historic
Environment Record Officer
Archaeology
Section
Design and
Historic Environment Team
Planning Service
Regeneration and
Economic Development
Rivergreen Centre
Aykley Heads
DH1 5TS
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Fax: 0191 3708897
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