Well, I can only speak from my own experience of auditors and financial
directors I have worked with, as a solution to that very problem of making sure
both client and freelancer have the proper paper trails. If auditors are saying
different things then that makes it a whole lot trickier! Clearly the best bet
is to speak to your own Company Secretary and make sure you're doing what's
right for your own circumstances.
The point I was making is, freelancers may well prefer to get their own
materials because it's quicker and easier for them ; that both sides will need a
paper trail of some sort; and that costs / process of all this should be agreed
between client and freelance in advance of any spending.
Sally
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From: Crispian Emberson <[log in to unmask]>
To: Sally Fort <[log in to unmask]>; [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sun, 13 March, 2011 0:09:35
Subject: Re: Using story tellers and musicians
Re: Using story tellers and musicians Hi everyone!
Totally right Richard! The issue is who is claiming the deduction as cost on
their accounts and claiming the VAT element if there is any. Remember each
receipt can only be claimed once. The real problem occurs when the client
decides to try and claim VAT back on the receipts you are already claiming VAT
on. As a standard of good accounting procedure – you don’t copy receipts and
hand them out to clients. If they want to see them that's ok but you don’t copy
them. You supply them with an itemised invoice.
Generally auditors do not like photocopies of anything, ever!
That’s from the wife – an auditor!
Cheers
Cris
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On 12/03/2011 23:30, "Sally Fort" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Richard and all
>
>Just to clarify a couple of things:
>
>1, yes very good point freelancers will need to hang on to their receipts but
>it's very commonplace to be asked for them on the basis of the arrangements laid
>out below - however photocopies will be accepted (I have worked - full time and
>freelance - for several companies who have worked on this basis regularly, and
>the auditors are perfectly happy with copies)
>
>2. Maybe it's just different cultures? It's definitely very common in performing
>and visual arts, and education, to work this way when providing materials -
>obviously not so much in science communication.
>
>3. Yes you could indeed just agree it as part of the fee and avoid all of the
>above complication
>
>Every scenario is different, there is rarely a 'one size fits all' approach
>(sadly, imagine how much quicker we'd all get things done)
>Sally
>
>Sally Fort
>Consultant: cultural projects
>www.sallyfort.com
><http://www.sallyfort.com/>
>
>
>
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From:Richard Ellam <[log in to unmask]>
>To: Sally Fort <[log in to unmask]>
>Cc: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Sat, 12 March, 2011 23:10:46
>Subject: Re: Using story tellers and musicians
>
>On 7 Mar 2011, at 09:35, Sally Fort wrote:
>
>
>
>>If they are likely to need to buy materials to deliver the sessions you would
>>need to cater for that in addition, you needn't include it in the fee but you
>>could say something like "a separate materials budget will also be available"
>>and then negotiate it with your chosen person / people; the easiest and quickest
>>way is that they buy what they need then claim it back on their invoice with
>>receipts (as long as they've agreed them in advance with you).
>>
>>
Sorry, this advice is simply wrong.
If a contractor needs to buy materials in order to fulfil the terms of a
contract with you, then the contractor, not you, needs to hang on to the
receipts for the expenditure as evidence that this money has been paid out on
legitimate business expenses which can be offset against their gross income for
tax purposes. They DO NOT and SHOULD NOT have to submit recipts to you as the
client as this will compromise their tax position. All you are entitled to from
them is an invoice which may or may not separately itemise the items bought in
order to complete the contract. As long as the agreed materials budget is not
exceeded and the contract is satisfactorily completed you have no cause for
complaint nor requirement for additional information.
If you expect a contractor to buy materials on your behalf, then expect to pay a
small additional price for them, as the contractor has effectively lent you the
money to pay for the goods, as they'll have had to pay for the goods at point of
sale, and the contractor has had to expend time and (sometimes considerable)
skill in identifying and purchasing the goods on your behalf.
If you anticipate the materials budget being a significant part of the contract
price consider advancing at least this part of the contract price to the
contractor - a canny one will probably make the receipt of an advance payment in
these circumstances a term of their contract. A really canny one will insist
that the advance payment is made in the form of a non refundable deposit, so
that if the contract goes sour (and some do) they are not out of pocket on the
materials.
In nearly twenty years of freelancing I've NEVER been asked to submit recipts to
substantiate the materials part of an invoice, and anyone asking me to do this
would get an extremely dusty answer!
Hope this helps
Cheers
Richard Ellam
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