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There's another aspect to this too - the credibility of grant applications. Like a number of people on this list I've been, from time to time, an assessor for grant applications. One of the things that I was certainly told to think about was the credibility of the project budget. So, if you find a grant application which seeks to get a lot of work done by 'freelancers' at low cost, then you will tend to mark the application accordingly - I've recommended certain grant applications to fail precisely because the project budget was unrealistic. In the arts world there is a fairly well recognised 'scale' of payments for work such as artists in residence with well understood recommendations for day rates applicable to artists at various stages in their career. Perhaps now is a good time to think about working towards a similar scheme in the museum education sector, so that there is some easy accessible point of reference for basic information on what a reasonable day rate for freelance work is. This need not be binding on anyone, but it would give a starting point for sensible negotiations, and help to inform the grant giving process. Richard Ellam L M Interactive Science Shows and Hands-On Stuff [log in to unmask] On 1 Mar 2011, at 16:35, Jo Willis wrote: > Lesley > > I have simply noted that while freelancers are being very vocal > (and quite rightly too) no-one is putting forward the customers’ > viewpoint at the moment, and felt that someone should play devil’s > advocate and raise the considerations that we all as a sector ought > to be thinking about. This is a very serious problem that is > developing and we ought to combine forces to see how we can > counteract the trend that I personally can see developing – > projects with small pots of money that are still being offered out > to people who understandably feel undervalued, and therefore the > devaluation of museum education as a whole. > > I, as I am sure most of us do, appreciate that freelancers need to > cover everything you have mentioned and more. And I most certainly > am not suggesting that you work for less, really we need > freelancers to opt for the projects that they feel value their > services appropriately and not tender for those that don’t, so that > we can pressurise grant-bodies into appreciating the costs involved > more. Perhaps the way forward does remain to pool small-projects > into a larger ‘interpretation/ education development’ project so > that we can secure the more appropriate level of funding, but this > is likely mean less projects for everyone to tender for resulting > in freelancers being faced with the same issues as employed people, > more and more going for fewer and fewer jobs. > > I simply wished to explain that from the customers’ viewpoint we as > a sector seem to be heading towards a climate where we could be > facing the prospect of only projects funded by the likes of the > HLF, and the other major education grant-bodies (and even they are > being more selective) going ahead because they are the only grant- > pots that will distribute the level of funds that value > interpretation properly. Can we really accept this as a future? A > time of stagnation after such a wonderful period of > experimentation, creativity and growth. > > Perhaps this is something we should debate at the next conference? > > > Jo Willis > Education & Events Officer > Kew Bridge Steam Museum > Tel: 020 8568 4757 Fax: 020 8569 9978 > E: [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] > > > > From: Lesley Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 01 March 2011 14:30 > To: Jo Willis > Cc: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Freelance opportunity > > I must speak up for freelancers too - while the fees might look > generous, most of us have to pay for travel, subsistence, home > office costs and equipment, even accommodation sometimes, and tax > and NI out of the fee. There is no pension or sick pay. I also find > I work many more hours on a freelance project than I would if I was > an employee and going home at the end of the day. You keep working > until the project is completed even if it takes more time than the > fee allows for. So we freelancers are usually good value for the > money, knowing that the quality of the work is paramount to > continuing to have work! And for many of us, the freelance income > is our only income, not extra pocket money - ie it pays the mortgage. > > Other professionals would be horrified at the suggestion that they > should do the work for less because of hard economic times and be > grateful for what they are offered - grants for capital works will > not be smaller for the builders and architects, the cost of design > and exhibitions will not be less, plumbers and surveyors will not > lower their fees. You are paying for a level of expertise and > experience as well as someone's time. > > > Dr Lesley Walker > Heritage Learning & Interpretation Consultant > 116 Castle St > Woodbridge IP12 1HL Suffolk UK > 01394 610420 > 07748500933 > [log in to unmask] > > > On 01/03/2011, at 12:03 PM, Jo Willis wrote: > > > I feel that I must speak up as a “customer” – it seems to me that > the question to ask of freelancers is would you prefer a trend of > fewer jobs with reasonable pay (thereby having to supplement your > income with alternative regular part-time work such as retail) or a > more frequent train of income even if it is of smaller pockets of > funds? > > It seems to me that people are forgetting the simple truth we are > all facing is that gaining grants of a substantial enough nature to > provide the kind of fees that freelancers would prefer to receive > is becoming increasingly difficult, to the point where a small > organisation such as the one I work for is faced with the decision > of a) whether to even bother pursuing individual projects or b) put > various projects on hold until they find a means of combining > several projects into one large one as a means of hopefully > securing interest from one of the few larger foundations still > interested in education per se – which might be never. > > Really many of us smaller organisations are facing the strong > possibility of having to produce everything in-house which might > result in not reaching the quality standards we might expect from a > specialist. I for one am increasingly of the mind to carefully > consider which projects we pursue in-house with a combination of > skills from various volunteers, and what, if any, projects require > freelancers and that we might stand a chance of securing sufficient > funds to hire such services. > > Surely this means we are faced with the possibility of creativity > in our sector drying up? Does anyone really want that to happen? > > > Jo Willis > Education & Events Officer > Kew Bridge Steam Museum > Tel: 020 8568 4757 Fax: 020 8569 9978 > E: [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] > > > > From: List for discussion of issues in museum education in the UK. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tehmina Goskar > Sent: 28 February 2011 18:32 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Freelance opportunity > > Fewer funds should not be used as an excuse to offer substantially > less than a project is clearly worth. Considering the organisation > who has circulated this tender, I would have hoped that they would > value the project enough to resource it more sensibly. > > After all, no kitchen fitter or roofer would accept being paid less > for on a partial worktop or half tiled roof? > > We have to value what we do more, otherwise no one else will, even > in harder times. I don't think it should silently be tolerated. > > All the best, > Tehmina > > On 28 February 2011 09:24, Roy Lawson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi All, > it is a small amount for potentially loads of work, but I've taken > on contracts like this before. I make it clear that it only buys - > lets say - 3 days/24hours of my time, not the finished resource. > This has 2 outcomes, the commissioning organisation find out who I > am and what my rates are and I get a crack at a small piece of > work, more may come my way later on . > > Let's not throw the baby and bathwater out together! There's an > ever shrinking pool on money out there. > regards, > Roy > > Roy Lawson > freelance heritage educator > mobile: 07960 125218 e-mail: [log in to unmask] > > What I'm currently doing: > - http://roy-at-work.blogspot.com/ > > > > --- On Fri, 25/2/11, Laurel Armstrong <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > From: Laurel Armstrong <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Freelance opportunity > > To: [log in to unmask] > Date: Friday, 25 February, 2011, 11:03 > > > £600 to create a set of resources AND teachers' notes? 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