Lunch was great. salami and cheese sandwiches and a container filled with various salads. all sitting outside http://archiseek.com/wp-content/gallery/shaneotoole/17j.jpg. back indoors now. full and tired so I won't say much more than I largely agree with you about the problems of a bipartite structure and have always found your consistent questioning of the classifications of poetry on various lists very useful and important. it is all too easy to look across the divide with disdain all because of a tribe mentality. in saying that I also do not think that all poetry is the same and somewhere along the line we need to classify in order to identify or distinguish. but with every attempt there are problems. that is why the ongoing conversation regarding classifications of poetry is important. so as not to be or become reductive and threatening. I also think that if every person / poet in the world thought the same way you did then these kind of distinctions would become wonderfully unnecessary. but it is just not my experience. in particular when I open up the majority of anthologies which often just ignore or are quite hostile to modernisms. oh to have a perfect world. anyway, my list of poets was only meant as a guide and would welcome papers on any poet people can think of in relation to these topics. all non violent of course Jimmy