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I can imagine one reason why goats would have been considered more dangerous and less virtuous than sheep (and why Theocritus centers one of his naughtier poems around a goatherder) based on Brad Kessler's book "Goat Song" (Tom Ashbrook interviewed him about a year or so ago which is how I heard about it: http://onpoint.wbur.org/2009/08/19/close-to-goats ). When male goats go through their rutting season they apparently become aggressively-obsessed with reproducing and start to smell famously terrible. One would think observing this season after season might make a goatherder get some ideas. Best! Tim On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:23 PM, ANNE PRESCOTT <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Roger reminds me of how much I do miss the old "Lamb's Tail" award at > Porlock. Indeed, I am sorrier and sorrier that I won't be at K'zoo and hence > Porlock this year so as to hear a chorus of baa's and oinks. I do hope I > can quote some of all this for a talk at the RSA, though. > One observation and one query. Observation: on several occasions I've > noticed that the modern print versions on EEBO for some of the texts I've > been looking at for bits on sheep-hooks, scepters, and David, refer to those > intriguing opposites the sheep an "the groats." So God can divide the sheep > from the groats? Not really impressive, although I'd give many an an angel > or crown to see those groats. Query: does anyone know why in the Bible sheep > are good and goats are bad? Do lambs taste better than baby goats? Maybe > this is in Scripture and I just forget. I know you can herd goats--look at > Obama's paternal family. But why do goats go to the left and sheep go on > God's right hand. Nobody calls a religious figure the goat of God. > Signed, Puzzled in New York. > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Roger Kuin <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> I hereby commission all the participants hitherto who dare appear at >> Kalamazoo this year to produce this as a Porlock Event, and invite >> nominations for its nomenclature. It could, and perhaps should, be annual, >> after the manner of the Jan Williams and Kathleen Van Dorsten >> divertimentos. >> Excelsior! >> Roger >> >> On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Scott Lucas wrote: >> >> Come to think of it, congregational psalm singing is about the only thing >> I haven't seen as a plot device on *Shaun the Sheep *yet. Helen, you and >> Psalm Woman could write the script! It could all start on that ill-starred >> day when the Farmer decides to bring home that new, rather opinionated flock >> of sheep he bought while on a trip to Geneva. Led by Shaun's heretofore >> unknown northern cousin, the grim, grumpy Shaun Knox, the newcomers soon >> have the "fur flying" in the pasture! >> >> Shaun Knox could call the flock to the barn to offer a enlightening >> sermon, holding up the behavior of the pigs as proof positive of the >> doctrine of double predestination. >> Later, the sheep could all stage a stirring debate over whether Shirley's >> gaudy pelt (or "furplice," if you will) is an abomination before the Lord or >> merely a matter indifferent. >> >> Some slapstick could be introduced by having neighboring farmer Mr. >> Algrind come for a visit, only to take a pratfall after getting hit on the >> head by a seashell. >> >> The kids will love it. >> >> Scott >> >> Scott C. Lucas >> Professor of English >> The Citadel >> Charleston, SC 29409 >> >> [log in to unmask] >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Vincent, Helen <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >>> Beth, >>> as long as they were baaing in the vernacular... >>> Helen >>> >>> >>> Helen Vincent >>> Senior Curator >>> Rare Book Collections >>> >>> Tel: +44 (0) 131 623 3894 >>> Fax: +44 (0) 131 623 3888 >>> Email: [log in to unmask] >>> >>> National Library of Scotland >>> George IV Bridge >>> Edinburgh >>> EH1 1EW >>> Scotland >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Sidney-Spenser Discussion List [mailto: >>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Quitslund, Beth >>> *Sent:* 10 February 2011 15:07 >>> >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Re: Psalm 23 >>> >>> No worries. >>> >>> Though my dreams last night were haunted by ghostly choruses of plowboys, >>> baaing. >>> >>> >>> Beth Quitslund >>> Associate Professor >>> >>> Department of English >>> Ellis Hall 348 >>> Ohio University >>> Athens, OH 45701 >>> >>> phone: (740) 593-2829 >>> FAX: (740) 593-2832 >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Sidney-Spenser Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] >>> On Behalf Of Coughlan, Pat (English) [[log in to unmask]] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:25 AM >>> >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Re: Psalm 23 >>> >>> Dear Beth, >>> >>> >>> Oh please can we not have the full text of “I just wanna be…”? >>> >>> >>> PC >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Sidney-Spenser Discussion List [mailto: >>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Quitslund, Beth >>> *Sent:* 09 February 2011 18:54 >>> >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Re: Psalm 23 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Helen, I think I'm going to have to put that on a t-shirt. >>> >>> >>> However, for the record, that version of Ps 23 isn't by Thomas Sternhold >>> (probably Thomas Norton), and was certainly not published in 1549. >>> (Secondary power: stunning fistblows of pedantry.) >>> >>> >>> The best version of Ps 23--sort of--that I've heard lately--is a song >>> beginning "I just wanna be a sheep (baa baa baa baa)," and includes the >>> verse "Don't wanna be a goat (nope)." It's kind of catchy, actually.... >>> >>> >>> Beth >>> >>> >>> >>> Beth Quitslund >>> Associate Professor >>> >>> Department of English >>> Ellis Hall 348 >>> Ohio University >>> Athens, OH 45701 >>> >>> phone: (740) 593-2829 >>> FAX: (740) 593-2832 >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Sidney-Spenser Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] >>> On Behalf Of Vincent, Helen [[log in to unmask]] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:43 PM >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>> *Subject:* Psalm 23 >>> >>> Beth's post reminds me (because she is Psalm Woman*) that the Guardian's >>> Poem Of The Week is Psalm 23, in three early modern translations - King >>> James, Tyndale, and Sternhold. 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