medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Try some earlier, foundational work Platonism and poetry in the twelfth century; the literary influence of the school of Chartres. Wetherbee, Winthrop, 1938- Princeton, N.J., Princeton University Press, 1972. * Latin poetry, Medieval and modern -- History and criticism * Civilization, Medieval -- 12th century * Influence (Literary, artistic, etc.) * Twelfth century * Platonists * Chartres (France) -- Intellectual life A companion to philosophy in the Middle Ages Jorge J.E. Gracia and Timothy B. Noone. Eds. * Blackwell companions to philosophy ; 24 Malden, MA : Blackwell Pub., 2003. Chpt 4: School of Chartres, by W. Wetherbee BUT also extremely useful for re-modeling and re-presenting social constructs in the forms of courtly institutions as well as personal imagery (speech, manners, carriage, habits, interalia) C. Stephen Jaeger, The Envy of Angels, Cathedral Schools and Social Ideals in Medieval Europe, 950-1200, University of Pennsylvania Press, 1994. -- don't miss this "corrective" review of the cathedral schools milieu and courtly society in 12th C. (viz, courtly manners and the charismatic model of culture): See esp: Appendix A. Moral Discipline and Gothic Sculpture: The Wise and Foolish Virgins of the Strassburg Cathedral, 331pp This section aptly begins: "The move from hieratic stiffness to realism and plasticity that occurs in sculpture [as well as some MS ptg] in the course of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries poses a problem for the historian of art and ideas." Subject: [M-R] High M.A. [neo-]Platonism >John M. Dillon, ed., _The Afterlife of the Platonic Soul: Reflections of Platonic Psychology in the Monotheistic Religions_ (Leiden: Brill, 2009), jarred me into thinking that perhaps i could float a Query which has been on my mind for some time. lately, i've been working on the various styles of manuscript illumination to be seen in 11th c. productions from the scriptorium of the Benedictine house of St. Peter's of Chartres, including works such as this http://ariadne.org/cc/mss/chartresmss/bm120/ms120-f57v-mark.jpg designs like this are sometimes described, in the literature, as "primitif" or, in somewhat less invidious terms, “archaïque." however, upon closer examination, i find them to be quite deliberately and "perfectly" conceived and executed, and i've come to the conclusion (or the Mare's Nest, whichever) that a large part of the explanation for the overall appearance of images like this one is dueto the utter disinterest in (and/or disdain for) replicating what we normally refer to as the "real" (i.e., the phenomenal) world. in favor of a Real world --something very close (as i imagine it to be) to the world of Platonic Forms. the passage in John of Salisbury's Metalogicon to the effect that "Bernard of Chartres [scholasticus of the cathedral school, fl. c. 1130] was the greatest Platonist of his time" is often cited --among other evidences-- for the prevalence of Platonic ideas in Chartres in the 12th c., but it is clear to me that (and this is hardly an original thought) it is quite likely that such ideas --or, more pervasively, a general "mind set"-- was the fundamental world view of, not just Chartrainers, but of the whole of the High M.A. (at least), and it was this autogenetic world view which, ultimately, accounts for the style(s) we see. never having been at all up on the literature on this question, i have, in recent decades, backslid into a state of near-perfect ignorance of it. could someone (John? Grover?) point me to a "Platonism for the Complete Idiot" introduction to the subject? many thanks. c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html