----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:16
AM
Subject: Re: Digital Camera Trial,
Cambridge University Library Map Room
If I can reply in defence of the Libraries.
1) Running a
large collection costs a lot of money, we do have a
collection box, but it
wouldn't even begin to cover the costs associated
with obtaining,
cataloguing, conserving, storing and making available to
the public our
collections. Government cuts have left libraries in an
even more perilous
financial state than ever and we need to increase
revenue any way we can
to make up the shortfall.
The fact that you are using your own
equipment doesn't mean that the
Library is not incurring costs; it takes a
large amount of money just to
keep the lights on and there are also
staffing costs - somebody has to
deal with enquiries and fetch the items
from store.
2) As regards reproduction rights - I use this term rather
than
copyright as it is more appropriate - if you wish to publish an item
from a library's collection then regardless of whether the copies were
made by you or by the library's staff you are still using material from
that library's collection, there is usually a fee involved in this. As
government funding decreases alternative revenue streams must be
developed in order to make up some of the shortfall.
I don't think
some people fully appreciate the magnitude of the cuts
facing many of us
come next April - if you want this material to be
maintained and made
available for study then there is a price - if it
isn't paid by the
government through general taxation then Libraries
must find other ways of
continuing their activities - the alternative is
less material held in
less accessible conditions - and nobody wants that.
Bosman,
drs. J.M. wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I
certainly support Oliver’s view here and am surprised at the amount of
> support for measures that make the burden higher for people to use
> documents that were probably acquired with and are still taken care
of
> with taxpayer’s money. I would encourage libraries and map rooms
to
> promote the use of their collections and by doing so win continued
> support of the public. Maybe I am naïve but I see
>
>
>
>
- no reason for charging
if people use their own equipment;
>
>
- no reason to let
people sign a copyright declaration: the
> copyright is already on the
document (if it has not run out by now) and
> users have to stick to
that already; we are not letting people sign a
> copyright declaration
if they want to copy a chapter from a book, so why
> would we have
different norms for maps?
>
>
- no reason to prohibit
the use of tripods as long as people do
> not disturb others.
>
>
>
> Of course, you can:
>
>
>
> - make
exceptions if there is a danger of valuable original
> documents being
harmed
>
>
- ask for people to
support the library financially
>
>
- offer high quality
scans for valuable and often asked for
> items that are out of
copyright (as is being done in many places already
> of course)
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Jeroen
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Jeroen Bosman, vakspecialist Geowetenschappen
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Universiteitsbibliotheek Utrecht <http://www.uu.nl/bibliotheek>
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> Jeroen Bosman, subject librarian
Geography&Geoscience
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> Utrecht University Library <http://www.uu.nl/library>
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telephone: +31.30.2536613
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Heidelberglaan 3. Utrecht
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> *From:* A forum for issues related to map & spatial data
librarianship
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Oliver,
Richard
> *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 6:11 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>
*Subject:* Re: Digital Camera Trial, Cambridge University Library Map
Room
>
>
>
> Hear, hear, Yo!
>
>
>
> My experience is that the best way to get
optimum results is to take a
> limited number of shots and to then
download them onto a laptop, where
> they can be quality-checked and
then, if necessary, reshot before the
> item is returned. Usually with
experience there are few retakes, but
> occasional documents give a lot
of trouble. (A particular 'swine' - not
> a map, but map-related - is
the 'elusive' Wharton Committee report on
> the Geological Survey of
1900, in OS 1 in The National archives.)
>
>
>
> Charging for digital cameras seems counter-productive. Yes, one pays
for
> photrocopies, but only at the margibnal cost of production, and
often
> for an item that isn't 100% satisfactory. Use of digital
cameras needs
> to be seen positively, as a conservation measure: it
saves the document
> havin g to be produced again, or having it out for
longer than necessary.
>
>
>
> Richard
Oliver
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> *From:* A forum for issues related to map & spatial data
librarianship
> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Yolande Hodson
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> *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:42
PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
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*Subject:* Re: Digital Camera Trial, Cambridge University Library Map
Room
>
> I have spent the last ten years working in many of the
County Record
> Offices, most of whom have allowed digital photography
but with a
> variety of rules, regulations etc. I have found that the
charge has
> varied between £5 and £20 a day. Occasionally a charge was
made per
> image but I think it was soon realised that that was
unrealistic. Many
> is the time I have taken say 200 images and just
been charged the daily
> rate. I think it is reasonable to make a
charge, after all, one would
> otherwise be paying for photocopies
etc.
>
>
>
> I have found that one always has
to sign one's life away as far as
> copyright and so forth is concerned
and I do not see that this should be
> a problem for the individual.
The best record office from the point of
> view of offering digital
photography is, of course, The National
> Archives, which introduced
this free facility about 8 years ago under
> the excellent auspices of
its then redoubtable Keeper, Sarah Tyacke. If
> only the British
Library and others would follow suit life would be
> complete. In my
view, the ability to take one's own digital photography
> of maps and
documents in libraries and other collections is one of the
> greatest
contributions to the advancement of scholarship in the last decade.
>
>
>
> Yo Hodson
>
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> *From:* Richard Abbott <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:15
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> *Subject:* Re: Digital Camera
Trial, Cambridge University Library
> Map
Room
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>
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> An alternative way of charging is to be
introduced in Birmingham
> Central Library from
April. This is to charge for a day permit,
>
without restriction on the number of images. Details have not
quite
> been finalised, but we're provisionally
setting the charge as £2.00
> per day. Anyone
using a digital camera already has to sign a
>
copyright etc. declaration and keep a log of items
photographed;
> each item must be approved by a
member of library staff before being
>
photographed.
>
> Richard Abbott
>
> Archives and
Heritage
> Central
Library
> Chamberlain
Square
>
Birmingham
> B3 3HQ
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tel 0121 303
4549
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fax 0121 464
1176
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> Anne,
>
> Interesting that you are not charging we have
been allowing this for
> some time, but we do
charge people.
>
> We have recently
updated our guidelines for use of reader's cameras
and
> the new ones can be found by following the
link towards the bottom of
> the following
webpage: http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=readers
>
> Huw
>
>
Anne Taylor wrote:
> > Dear
all
> >
>
> (Apologies for cross posting)
>
>
> > I am pleased to announce that
three readings rooms - including the Map
>
> Room - in Cambridge University Library are allowing readers, on
a
> trial
>
> basis, to use their own cameras to take photographs of items
consulted
> > in those reading
rooms.
> >
>
> The normal restrictions apply - no flash, no noise, no tripods
-
> and we
>
> hope that the trial will be a success, but there is no
guarantee
> that
it
> > will become
permanent!
>
>
> > The readings rooms taking part
in the trial are: Rare Books,
> >
Manuscripts, Maps.
>
>
> > The trial is for the Lent Term
(until Friday 18 March 2011).
>
>
> > There is no charge but you
need to fill in our new form and the
>
pictures
> > cannot be used for
publication.
>
>
> >
Anne
> >
>
> --
> Huw
Thomas, FRGS, FBCartS
> Pennaeth Uned Defnyddiau
Di-destun Head of Non-Text Materials
Unit
> a Llyfrgellydd
Mapiau
and Map Librarian
>
> Llyfrgell
Genedlaethol
Cymru
National Library of Wales
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