thanks Ted (and Scott for the witchhouse link)
not heard that tale, interesting!
Experimental, yes
Coil- as well as the sound sigils they interacted with some electronic voice phenomena which they had recorded, and issued several records as Coil vs Elph, "Elph" being the name they gave a technical 'gremlin' that got into their studio electronics and started to make noises and sequences which they had not programmed. Eventually they came to regard it as a separate entity, i think
there's also the cabbalistic magical musician Z'Ev http://www.rhythmajik.com/
thanks
Dave
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From: Ted Hand <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:16:45 -0800
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Throbbing Gristle
> Stop me if I've told you this story before, but I had beers with
Godwin after the Davis esoterica conference Allison
> Coudert put on five
or six years ago. I remember overhearing something he said about alchemical
music not being
>
all that interesting "because he isn't interested in entering altered
states of consciousness" and it's not musically
> so impressive.
But don't quote me on that because I was way out of it and not a hundred
percent sure I dreamed it.
>
His impression of Michael Maier's fugues was that they were a difficult
compositional effort, but that he didn't succeed
> due to his lack of
experience, painting himself into musical corners. But it seems like he wants to
encourage folks to
>
take the more practical and magical experiential approach to this stuff that he
as a badass music professor doesn't do.
>
> I say look at those
moves as "experimental" not mistakes...
>
> I'll have
to read that Coil interview. Wonder how those guys feel/felt about the problem
of "absolute music"
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:05 AM,
kaostar <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
>
Thanks Ted, Johann ( i think i mispelt his name, sorry J) is a
very interesting guy, we used to live in the same city and had a few drinks
together one night, and his work is fascinating (drawing on Godwin, as someone
else posted
here)
>
> There are some interesting things happening with music
production and esoterica, including on the trance-rave scene; the artistes name
escapes me, but last summer i saw a performer doing some physical motions (a
kinetic ritual sequence) near enough to several theremins to produce some very
impressive and interesting
effects
>
> Interview in Fortean Times about 8 years ago with Coil (is
online i think), they indicated they were producing sound sigils in their
work
>
>
cheers
>
Dave
>
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>
From: Ted Hand <[log in to unmask]>
>
To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:58:46 -0800
>
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Throbbing Gristle
>
> >
Dave,
> > thanks for reminding me about Hassler. I've followed
him for awhile,
> > been meaning to experiment with generating pitches from
sigils.
> > Renaissance Magic seen purely as formal systems provides so
> > many interesting methods for generating "chance music."
I
hope
> >
folks with programming skills start making cool art of memory
> > video
games, and esoteric music
software.
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at
10:21 AM, D E <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > hi
Ted
> >
> > for music and the relationship to
esotericism check
out Johann Hassler, who is, or was here on this list, and is on academia.edu; he
recently did his PhD on that
area
> >
> > thanks
> > Dave
>
> >
> >
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> > From:
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> > To: [log in to unmask]" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
> >
> > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:15
AM
> > Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC]
Throbbing
Gristle
> >
> > thanks Dave that looks very interesting. I have been getting
interested in
> > music cognition studies and the music theory of
Industrial
"noise," so
this
> > is right up my alley. Also recently noticed
that Philip
Ball, author of "The
> > Music Instinct" also wrote a book
about Paracelsus,
"The Devil's
Doctor."
> > The connections between
esotericism and music are
wonderful; it's a
> > shame so few people have the chops and the
interest to
study
them.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:54 AM, kaostar <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> >
“Over the
Ruined Factory There's a Funny [WINDOWS-1252?][WINDOWS-1252?]Noise”:
Throbbing
Gristle and
the
>
> > Mediatized Roots of Noise in/as
Music
> > Melle
Jan
Kromhout
> > Popular Music and Society, 1740-1712, Volume 34, Issue 1,
2011,
Pages 23 [WINDOWS-1252?][WINDOWS-1252?]–
34
>
> >
> > just seen this on a contents
list, might be of interest
to those working
in
> > studies of postmodern/chaos magics
etc
> >
> > Dave
E
> >
> >
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