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Thanks. I had missed that that one was open access. IoPP has several in that category. So that link will not turn into a pumpkin at midnight. MK From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Amy Harvey Sent: 31 January 2011 14:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] On openness in science Hi Michael. Whilst it is true that IOP Publishing have a 'free for 30 days from publication' policy, the journal to which you refer (Environmental Research Letters) is one of several open access journals in IOP Publishing's portfolio. Articles in ERL are funded by an article charge, the details of which are outlined here: http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/page/Article%20charge I hope this info is useful :) Amy On 31 January 2011 12:32, Michael Kenward <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I know all about, well a lot about, the economics of publishing. My point is aimed specifically at this case. From what I gather, the paper that Stephan kindly pointed us to refers to what happens in newspapers. These are the last people who will go out and spend money on research papers. (Too busy paying people to hack into telephone accounts.) That is unfortunate, because that is where things need to change. I doubt very much if the paper is likely to get the press release treatment that Nature et al put into promulgating important research. So, apart from Stephan's contributions, it will not even get written up in places where the media are likely to read about it. By the way, there are plenty of models for allowing papers out without wrecking your finances. The best example I know of it IoP Publishing which grants free access for the first 30 days. That is how we got to read this one: http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/6/1/014004/fulltext "Effective media reporting of sea level rise projections: 1989-2009" "The research found that-with few exceptions-journalists have accurately portrayed scientific research on sea level rise projections to 2100." Catch it before it goes behind the paywall. MK From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of jennifer gristock Sent: 31 January 2011 11:06 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] On openness in science Except generally speaking, Times journalists' salaries are not paid by Government. Public research funds are supposed to benefit the public, not just those who can afford to pay. However, I take your point. To blame scientists - individually, or collectively - for the faults of the system of science would be a mistake. The research community has little choice but to play by the rules of the innovation system, or suffer its penalties. 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