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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Of course. Thank you, Jim. But I don't understand what it's doing in a depiction of schoolboys (actually not just metaphorically) stabbing their pedagogue. Did the god "make them do it"? GHB On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Dr Jim Bugslag wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > The "babe" is a pagan idol. That is a standard way of representing > them in the Middle Ages, as a naked figure (sometimes armed with > spear and shield) on a column. There are lots of examples in > Michael Camille's book, The Gothic Idol. > Cheers, > Jim > > On 18/01/2011 3:31 PM, George Brown wrote: >> >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >> culture Thanks, John, for including the fine page from the >> Huntington Library MS. In the illustration who/what is the babe >> standing on the pillar? >> >> GHB >> >> >> On Jan 18, 2011, at 1:21 PM, John Dillon wrote: >> >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >>> culture >>> >>> On Saturday, January 15, 2011, at 5:22 pm, I wrote: >>> >>>> In the thirteenth century, the confusion of Vitae/Passiones for the >>>> priest/bishop//confessor/martyr Felix of 14. January had caused the >>>> Dominican hagiographers Bartolomeo da Trento and Jacopo da >>>> Varazze to >>>> maintain that there were two Felixes. In Jacopo's view at least (I >>>> won't be able to look at Bartolomeo until Tuesday), the Roman >>>> martyr >>>> and Felix of Nola were brothers and they were both called _in >>>> Pincis_, >>>> the one because he is said to have been put to death with >>>> _pincae_ and >>>> the other because he was buried outside the city at a place called >>>> Pincis... >>> >>> I've now had a chance to look at Bartolomeo da Trento's _Liber >>> epilogorum in gesta sanctorum_, where the treatment of Felix of >>> 14. January is at cap. 31, _De sancto Felice_. Here, just as in >>> the later Jacopo da Varazze, there are said to be two sainted >>> brothers named Felix, both called _in pincis_, the one because he >>> is said to have been put to death with _pincae_ (Bartolomeo gives >>> the supposed explanation _pinca_ = _subula_, 'awl') and the other >>> (who acc. to B. had been sentenced to hard labor but after a >>> healing miracle had been freed and brought to Nola, >>> where he died) because he reposes at a place called >>> _in pincis_. >>> >>> Bartolomeo devotes most of his brief chapter to the Felix who died >>> at Nola. At the outset he calls both Felixes priests; in his >>> telling both brothers resided at Rome. The F. killed at Rome had >>> caused an idol to shatter; the who died at Nola had threatened to >>> do the same thing. There is no suggestion in Bartolomeo that the >>> F. killed at Rome was a schoolmaster whose students put him to >>> death with their _pincae_ and their styluses. That version thus >>> seems increasingly likely to have been Jacopo da Varazze's own >>> creation, inspired (as noted previously) by Prudentius' well known >>> account of St. Cassian of Imola. >>> >>> Herewith an expandable view of the Felix of 14. January being >>> stabbed to death by students as depicted in a late thirteenth- >>> century copy of French origin of Jacopo da Varazze's _Legenda >>> aurea_ (San Marino, CA, Huntington Library, ms. HM 3027, fol. 22v): >>> http://tinyurl.com/4jywbp4 >>> >>> Best again, >>> John Dillon >>> >>> ********************************************************************** >>> To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME >>> to: [log in to unmask] >>> To send a message to the list, address it to: >>> [log in to unmask] >>> To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion >>> to: [log in to unmask] >>> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write >>> to: >>> [log in to unmask] >>> For further information, visit our web site: >>> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html >> >> Prof. Em. George Hardin Brown, FMAA, FSA >> Department of English, 450 Serra Mall >> Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-2087 >> Home: 451 Adobe Place, Palo Alto, CA 94306-4501 >> Phones: Mobile: 650-269-9898; Fax: 650-725-0755; Home: 650-852-1231 >> >> ********************************************************************** To >> join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME >> to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address >> it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the >> message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In >> order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] >> For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** To > join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address > it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the > message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In > order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html Prof. Em. 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