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Yes RIPA does. The discussions on the legal blogs focused on the 
viability of presenting any 'forgotten' defence. (Notwithstanding 
medical evidence of a memory disorder). Those discussions questioned 
any ability to be able to maintain an effective 'sorry I have 
forgotten' defence. They should be available via a search using factors 
contained in the link provided. (Having been focusing on financial and 
academic worlds over the last year I did not myself save all the 
links.)

One has to accept the juries findings could probably be based 
upon softer information available within the courtroom. One of the odd 
things is that I myself deliberately do put in a password intending not 
to remember it when occasionally finally closing electronic accounts 
down, and I also forgot some passwords when first obtaining and 
learning how to use PGP and utilising long passwords. (I found memory 
management differs between long and short passwords) So it is difficult 
to believe I am the only person who follows such a practice or has 
experienced that type of forgetfulness.

Any other responses from the 
list will be interesting as the questions remain valid.

I do find it 
interesting that nobody has yet raised the issue of access to a persons 
passwords not being acceptable because of the levels of access that 
provides, or that other access mechanisms are generally available. (To 
enable legal procedures only requires read access.) All of which leaves 
open the interpretation that passwords, whilst being a part of 
security, are being perceived as more of an accountability mechanism 
than a security one. (I am deliberately disregarding situations where 
they may be widely shared anyway.)

For info, if it is useful to 
anybody, this case does provide a particularly good case study 
illustrating many different facets of the privacy paradigm.

Ian W







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Ian
RIPA 
part III definitely allows forgetfulness as a defence (s53(3)). However 
the blog suggests that the question in this case was actually whether 
it was plausible that someone would use such an unmemorable password 
(40-50 *random* characters, the blog suggests) and not write it down. 
The jury appear to have concluded that it wasn’t plausible, therefore 
there must be a written copy somewhere that the defendant was refusing 
to disclose. So the defendant failed to "adduce sufficient evidence to 
raise an issue" of whether he was still in possession of the (written) 
password.

There are ways of generating memorable passwords of that 
length that don't need to be written down (the passphrase for my 
digital signature is of that order), but using a random number 
generator doesn't seem to be one of them.

Andrew

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> From: This list is for those interested in Data 
Protection issues 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf 
Of Ian Welton
> Sent: 05 January 2011 17:11
> To: data-
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> Subject: Re: Passwords question
> 
> The 
issue started as a discussion over ethical reporting and the 
> ethics 
of organisational press releases, so most of the 
> 
coverage/discussions pertained to those areas, with legal blogs also 
> 
debating if forgetfulness could be an acceptable defence.
> 
> It was 
conjectured that
> some of the issue for the courts was the strength of 
encryption.
> 
> A
> reasonably full media write up was:-
> http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/10/police-drage-
> password-sex
> 
> A Happy New Year to all.
> 
> Ian W

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