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I sort of think you need to get over it Craig. The whole diagnostic enterprise and the forces that support is very often bonkers reductionist and damaging in lots of different ways but this is at some level unavoidable. Services are bound to reflect the culture and ideologies of their time? I also gave in on Autism. Who was I to impose my world view on someone who found the label and associated identity really helpful. My brother even talks about the 'Aut' in my own family of origin. As the youngest child I would call it something else! Great swathes of the people/psychologists I work with are fully aware of the limitations dangers and privilidges that go alongside classifying and being classified. Handing the mental health commissioning budgets to GPs isnt likely to improve the situation although they are quite good at spotting that someones distress isnt going to hop it with a bit of cbt ipt eft or whatever if they cant bear being unemployed again. I think the higher the DSM number gets the more obviously hopeless the whole enterprise becomes. For example PTSD labelling without exposure to a trauma is going to be interesting and a remarkable psychiatric legal and psychological innovation! Really good things are still happening all over the place. Peterborough is placing peer recovery workers in all their teams. If they pull it off this will really change the narrative and the practice. Zuckergate also had hopeful components. You seem to have adopted some sort of 'depressive' position. I think its a good time to be critical and psychological about all this. Wolfensberger was wrong, the world isnt going to hell in a wheelbarrow? Richard Ps Why did he choose a wheelbarrow and what happened to Zuckergate? On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:55 PM, COMBES Helen A <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > I was (and still am) against labelling but having worked in service where > people were struggling to get any support for their son or daughter because > the service said “we do not have anyone in this city who has autism” and at > the age of 80 (their children in their 50s) people were still having to help > their son or daughter on a daily basis without any state or local government > support. At that point I sold my soul to the devil and started to > diagnose. It was always through asking peoples’ permissions. Sorry, but it > did mean that people got some access to some support and some > independence. People can take hold of a label and change its meaning. > > > > Helen Combes, > > Principal Clinical Lecturer, Shropshire and Staffordshire DClinPsy > > > > *From:* The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Danny Taggart > *Sent:* 24 January 2011 11:30 > > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: spinwatch > > > > I'm not sure that this is entirely true Craig. Most of my colleagues would > not identify themselves as critical or even community psychologists but they > are finding the current NHS reform process quite horrifying. It's difficult > to credit the idea that this is all because of self-interest and not at > least in part to do with care about the public. We all might engage in > unhelpful therapeutic practices at times but that's not the same as wilfully > trying to harm people to advance our own financial or power bases. > > > > What I would be interested to hear from people is how are these changes > being experienced by others in the NHS and beyond? Also do people have > examples of how we can resist or at least minimise harm? > > > Danny > > > [def ault] Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]*On > Behalf Of *CRAIG NEWNES > *Sent:* 23 January 2011 20:31 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] spinwatch > > Richard, Psychologists have a massive vested interest in this non sense. > For example many many psychs in Ad Ment Health or Child Health support > spurious labelling and therapies that can't possibly help people who have > lost their jobs and homes or kids who live terrible lives and attend > oppressive schools whose only chance of rebelling is via refusal. You should > ask Elina Baker, Clin Psych, who worked in a Psychology Dept in Devon where > ALL the desks, computers and lunches were supplied by Drug reps. The local > psychiatrist thought this was appalling. Equally, in the seminars Guy and I > used to run on Prescribing Rights for Psychologists a sizeable majority were > all for the right to prescribe - because they wanted the goodies drug reps > gave nurses and doctors. A brief scan thru Clinical Psychology Forum tells > you all you need to know about the way the majority follow the gravy train > while privately espousing doubts and so-called critical views. > > C > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* richard pemberton <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Sunday, 23 January, 2011 15:29:52 > *Subject:* [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] spinwatch > > http://bit.ly/fwf0rC > > > > This is worth a watch. Its about the healthcare lobbying industry and their > tentacles in govt/the body politic and 'Lansleys reforms'. It makes all > those drug company funded trips meals and goodies for medics look quite > tame. 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