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Martha is absolutely right - BH's preceding post is grotesquely offensive. And no, he understands nothing about what is and isn't kosher, not that his Reform friends are mistaken because they have no knowledge of the rabbinical literature (which their rabbis water down to suit). In two words, kosher is about pure and impure, which is very different from clean and unclean, as Mary Douglas appreciated (but don't take her word for it - it's all in Rashi's commentaries on the Torah which I learned as a youngster, before me and religion parted ways). And William, you need make no apology. Your description of BH's style of argument reminds me of Proust's comment that everyone calls clear those ideas which have the same degree of confusion as their own. Loved Robert's haiku. Merry Xmas to those who celebrate it, Michael > > > -- Film-Philosophy After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For technical help email: [log in to unmask], not the list -- Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com/ Film-Philosophy Conference (6-8 July 2011): http://www.film-philosophy.com/conference/ Contact: [log in to unmask] --