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Pleonasms was a surprise for me to! It is ridculous that words that are in everyday use by almost everyone are judged to be undefineable or even worse pleonastic! Nettles helpfully but not critically differentiates between - Level 1 Pleasure and Joy which he characterises as momentary feelings. (How long the moment is an interesting variable) - Level 2 Well-being and Satisfaction which he describes as Judgements about Feelings - Level 3 Flourishing and Filling Ones Potential he characterises as Quality of Life. He suggests that the lower the levels are more immediate/sensual/reliably measuable and absolute. The higher the level the more cognitive/relative/moral and political/and embedded in cultural norms and values. I have found this helpful and it is possibly less pleonanic? He sadly doesnt have a fourth level. Richard On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Penny Priest <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > I learned a new word - 'pleonasms'. > One of the things I understand about this happiness project is that it has > often been talked about in relation to the people in Bhutan who are > apparently the most happy people in the world and don't want for much. And > that's where the idea about gross domestic happiness orignally came from (as > opposed to GDP) - it was economists looking at sustainability and how > capitalism is unsustainable. So apart from anything else, if the government > was trying to nudge us to be happier with our lot, that would be in > opposition to their own ideals for growth...I know I'm not defining > wellbeing or happiness here but pointing out the ridiculousness of the > pursuit. And obviously flawed in so many places like - who said they were > the most happy, are they still the most happy, how did they measure it, etc. > etc. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Paul Duckett <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Sunday, December 12, 2010 7:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Happiness survey > > Here's something I scribbled down somewhere a while back about defining > well-being. Don't know if it is useful. > > It's only since socio-economic conditions have permitted the possibility of > producing plenty, indeed the possibility of producing excess, has happiness > and well-being started to appear as a social goal and then as a moral > project in the West. This happened alongside a shift from the normative > regulation of behaviour (where behaviour was regulated by social norms) to > regulation through excess (where behaviour is now regulated by marketing > and advertising that prescribe the arousal of new needs and desires). This > is one explanation as to why ‘happiness and well-being’ have become so > important –consumer culture is dependent upon the notion of ‘well-being’ and > happiness and their pursuit is the primary means for a consumer capitalist > economic system to manufacture the social conditions for excessive desire. > The desire for more and more (rather than the satisfaction with having > ‘enough’) is the regulation of excess that drives consumer-orientated > cultures that in turn feed neo-liberal market economies. > > The prominence of the concepts of well-being and happiness in CP may be why > positive psychology both appears to seduce some community psychologists to > it and it to community psychology. What is remarkable is that a discipline > founded on the pursuit of happiness (positive psychology) and one that > appears happy to jump upon its tailcoat (CP) is that both are balancing > themselves on a set of pleonasms (happiness and well-being are nothing more > or less than descriptions of being in a state we desire to be in). The fact > that CP invests considerable time into giving further elaboration to such a > moribund concept as ‘well-being’ is both confusing and frustrating. At best, > the study of well-being and happiness might be to act as a mirror on the > society in which the concept is being invoked and give us a glimpse into > what different people in different socio-cultural and historical contexts > consider to be their preferred living conditions: the concept is wholly > time- and place-bound. At worst, happiness and well-being are used as > vehicles of colonisation whereby that which is valued by one society can be > imposed upon another: i.e., when claims about the conditions for well-being > are universalised rather than localised. > > > On 12/12/2010 16:58, CRAIG NEWNES wrote: > > Richard, Can you define wellbeing? I won't critique your response as you > are more than capable of doing that. I would be fascinated to see others on > the list have a go at a definition. > C > > ------------------------------ > *From:* richard pemberton <[log in to unmask]><[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Sunday, 12 December, 2010 11:46:23 > *Subject:* Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Happiness survey > > David and Craig again nudging the list away from anything other than the > critical straight and narrow? I think the Wellbeing agenda opens the door to > societal narratives. It could of course just be more > individualistic/religious remembering to count your blessings every night - > one of these in the public sector might be still having a job just now - or > blimey I am retired on a good NHS pension so I can renounce my previous Big > Psy lackey past! The Wellbeing and new Public Health Agendas do however > offer new ways in for both Community and Critical Psychology thinking and > practice? The psychopathology bubble might be full to bursting? Big Society > is of course a con but its also an opportunity? > > Richard > > Ps The West Midlands Group must be having an effect - a number of > Birmingham Iapt sites have lost their PCT funding and up for closure. > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:32 PM, CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> >> Apart from a nice Telegraph cartoon about this, folk who haven't seen it >> might like to look at Private Eye's version of the Happiness Survey which >> captures the politics of choice perfectly. Mark Rapley also told me that >> IAPT monies are now ring-fenced so - hey - no excuse to be miserable now >> that a CBT therapist supervised by a Clinical Psychologist will sort you >> out. Worse, in a bid for credibility, the CBT therapist and Clin Psych >> supervisor will discuss the economic cynicism behind it all - while still >> getting paid. >> C >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "Fryer, David" <[log in to unmask]> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Sent:* Friday, 10 December, 2010 8:54:20 >> *Subject:* Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Behavioural insight team: Nudge >> >> Dear John, Penny, Annie, Wendy and all, >> Wendy drew attention to this BIT stuff some time ago on the list and I >> looked at it then with dismay. I see it as yet another local manifestation >> of an internationally evident processes. I agree that one ideological >> function of this stuff is to draw attention away from the socially >> constituted nature of oppression and reposition it as the result of >> individual dysfunctional 'choice', that it is part of an onslaught on >> resources devoted to societal change etc. However I am still impressed by >> the legacy of Foucault (and post-Foucauldian) work, which I do not see >> usefully captured as about 'free' 'choice' between regulated 'options'. I am >> still keen on working out the contemporary implications of what Foucault was >> doing some decades ago or, more accurately, problematising contemporary >> manifestations of (re)subjectification productive of governmentality. >> Noxious nonsense like BIT creates opportunities for many parasites of >> neo-liberalism to make money but my view is that it is of far more >> problematic than that. I would not be at all reassured if a thorough >> literature review of "studies directly testing hypotheses generated by the >> theory" rejected them nor by "a mass of empirical evidence to back up the >> claim that there's a new technology of behavioural manipulation", not only >> because I am unimpressed methodologically by that style of claim >> legitimation (research) but, because I think it misses the point that this >> is just one more manifestation of the re-constitution of what it is to be >> human. Engaging with, uncovering and contesting the assemblages achieving >> this re-constitution seems to me an important task for community critical >> psychology. >> David >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [ >> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Cromby [ >> [log in to unmask]] >> Sent: 09 December 2010 20:26 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Behavioural insight team: Nudge >> >> Hi >> >> This is interesting stuff. On the one hand its same old, same old: the >> government want to regulate and control what we 'freely' choose whilst >> generating the appearance of beneficence and democracy. One of the best >> ways of controlling a population is to give them 'free' choice but then >> predetermine the options they are able to viably choose between. Amongst >> others, Foucault was onto this some years ago. >> >> And on the other hand, from what I can find online it seems like little >> more than economists finally waking up to the idea that their pet theory >> of rational choice doesn't actually capture how most people decide in >> most situations. Its wrapped up in a language of 'choice architecture' >> which makes it sound sinister but I'm not convinced they've provided >> much that's actually new. I couldn't find any studies directly testing >> hypotheses generated by the theory - though I didn't have loads of time >> to spend searching - but I'm not convinced there's too much here that's >> new or different to the techniques that advertisers have been using for >> decades except that they've chucked in the behaviourist finding that its >> better to reward good choices than punish bad ones. >> >> The kinds of choices they want to nudge us toward 'for our own good and >> the good of all' will presumably include things like exercising more, >> smoking less, drinking only in moderation, and having sex only on >> Sundays and even then under a duvet with the light off and strictly in >> the missionary position. Yet they're employing McDonald and Pepsi to >> help them write health policy and representatives of the alcohol >> industry to advise on responsible drinking. I don't think they've yet >> signed up a porn star to advise on sexual moderation but that can't be >> far away. >> >> At the same time they're cutting funds to local government and freezing >> or limiting council tax, forcing steep rises in the cost of e.g. >> swimming pool and football pitch hire and gym use. They're putting VAT >> up to 20%, cutting public sector jobs and wages, reducing benefits... >> >> In this context I'd see their adoption of nudge theory as more akin to >> the notion of the big society: a figleaf to cover over the fact that >> we're being shafted. Unlike the big society it does involve them >> actually doing something, although it has the benefit that what's >> involved seems like it will cost little or nothing, adopting a rhetoric >> and creating some guidelines rather than actually investing in people's >> wellbeing. >> >> But just like the big society its a figleaf that pushes responsibility >> back onto us, our choices and our lifestyles. When it 'works' they'll >> claim the credit, when it fails - which it mostly will because there's >> little or no substance - they'll blame us. So its Foucault (and others) >> yet again: they're giving us the power to choose whilst requiring us to >> choose responsibly on their limited and restrictive terms. >> >> I could be wrong and there's a mass of empirical evidence to back up the >> claim that there's a new technology of behavioural manipulation here >> that actually works. If anyone knows of anything it would be good to >> hear it. But in the absence of that I'd be more concerned about their >> use of nudge theory to legitimate a cuts agenda than their use of it to >> manipulate our choices. Consequently, if we're to critique it then >> that's where I think our critique should be targeted. >> >> J. >> >> >> >> On 09/12/2010 08:25, Annie Mitchell wrote: >> > Dear all, Have people in the UK been following the development of the >> > “nudge unit “ ( behavioural insight team) ? the intentions are intended >> > towards social benefit ( but by getting us to change our individual >> > choices by changing incentives ) and while there is some sense behind it >> > in terms of acknowledging environmental determinants of human behaviour >> > , I find the whole development hugely sinister - very alarming indeed to >> > read ( see link below for Guardian report) “ The deputy prime minister, >> > Nick Clegg, said he believed the unit could change the way citizens >> > think.“ I didn’t read anything in the book about nudges ( or even >> > shoves) towards bankers and unfettered business interests. What do >> > others make of this development? Can we marshall a community psychology >> > critique? >> > >> > Annie >> > >> > >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/sep/09/cameron-nudge-unit-economic-behaviour >> > >> > >> > ___________________________________ The Community Psychology List has a >> > new website/blog at: http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/ There is a >> > threaded discussion forum: >> > http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi There is >> > a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK To post on the website >> > blog, forum or twitter feed, contact Grant or David at the email >> > addresses below. 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