oo you'd be surprised! and horrified I suspect - Aristotle describes the use of hot irons, Aldrovandi (Renaissance Italy) says ' our farm wives pull out.....after making small incision with a knife.  the wound is large enough to admit a finger above the genitals under the septum where the testicles adhere.... ' etc etc with descriptions of mistakes and even a woodcut of the genitalia unravelled.
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 As a vet I ought to know the answer and perhaps this is a digression too far but when did people start castrating cockerels and how?  I know that camels were castrated per rectum by palpation a very long time ago but that does not seem feasible for cockerels.....
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Criticism willingly accepted Louisa!  You’re quite right – I think I must have got carried away with myself there for a moment.

 

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With respect, a pullet is a young female, a cockerel is a young male. The usage "point of lay pullet" is still commonplace. And what about capons, large fat male eunuch table birds.

The "lowly peasant" and the "elite" were only using the words of their respective native languages. We merely had a ruling class who spoke a foreign language. Mouton is still sheep and sheep meat in French, for example.

What is the linguistic derivation of bacon? Staple meat of the laboratores.

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I’m not sure that we can discuss pheasants in this light, since they were introduced from Asia, probably some time in the middle to late mediaeval period.  In which case, it may be derived directly from the Latin, rather than via French.  What the reasoning is behind quail, I have no idea.

 

I think Geraldine may have hit upon something though:

 

Pullet (Poulet)

 

Pullets, of course, are birds less than a year old and may well have been called this to distinguish the young male birds, destined for the table, from those hens which would go on to produce eggs.  If this is the case, we then have to ask not “why do we still call chickens chickens when we eat them”  but “why did we stop calling them pullets?”

 

Anton’s idea re. the need to label unrecognisable chunks of prepared meat is a valid one.  There’s also a social interpretation of the language however, whereby the lowly peasants who do the grubby work of looking after the animals have one word, whereas the elite have another word to use when it enters their domain.

 

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then again... poultry (FR poule) and hen (GER Huhn)...

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I'm guessing low-status food... Except for quail (caille) and pheasant (faisan)?
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I'm sure most people on this list are aware of this, but the English "linguistic separation between meat  and the animal" is a result of the Norman conquest - the Anglo-Saxons tended the animals in life, but then served the prepared product to their Norman overlords, at which point they acquired the French word:



Cow > Beef (Bouef)

Sheep > Mutton (Mouton)

Pig > Pork (Porc)

Deer > Venison (Venaison)



Quite why this didn't affect the vocabulary relating to poultry I have no idea.



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Thanks for the information provided by folk so far....

We have already done a workshop based around dogs and domestication, (youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOqTFgiUWVk <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOqTFgiUWVk>  and blog/website http://futureanimals.wordpress.com/ <http://futureanimals.wordpress.com/> ) . Dogs are good example as they are both 'pets', working animals and food - however I am keen to expand our range of examples to other species. 

We do have a challenge in that most modern day interactions with animals are based around pets and to a lesser extent food - (or CGI stories!) . Of course in the English our linguistic separation between meat  and the animal e.g. beef and cattle is also interesting (I remember the day my daughter could read duck in the supermarket - wanted to know why ducks were in there and then shrieked when I told her we ate animals - she thought beef/pork/sausages were an abstraction - and was strangely immune to chickens (I think feeding ducks in the park was more relevant to her)). 

Anyhow trying to come up with an appreciation of animals in society in 30 mins is a challenge, and in my experience of the 'future animals' dog focused work shop pets were the one thing everyone could (and would) talk about and it was remarkably easy to then move to discussions on the ethics of animal breeding and then to food production and security (and beyond). 

We will be creating some on-line resources relating to these workshops in due course and we also have a student event to broaden out the workshops to environmental archaeology  coming up soon http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/event.php?eid=155858611112288 <http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/event.php?eid=155858611112288> . 

In the meantime any more evidence for ancient pets will be most welcome....

Jacqui Mulville (PhD),

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