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I'd add this to my last post, for Kashif. This problem - >> With WMSs submitting jobs to a CREAM server, the >> job starts, finishes and awaits collection that never happens. - often occurred with jobs from gridppnagios (e.g daily). It seems less frequent now, but it still goes on. I've wondered what is the cause? Steve -- Steve Jones [log in to unmask] System Administrator office: 220 High Energy Physics Division tel (int): 42334 Oliver Lodge Laboratory tel (ext): +44 (0)151 794 2334 University of Liverpool http://www.liv.ac.uk/physics/hep/