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Alan Sugar. On 8 November 2010 08:53, Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > We need a GruppeFeuhrer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of David Bircumshaw > Sent: 08 November 2010 08:15 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: It's Henery the Eighth Agen Agen > > Possibly, possibly (although I believe the current denial of the vote to > prisoners is facing a legal challenge). I'd be more inclined to a Moral > Fitness Test, which could also be extended to Benefit Claims. > > On 8 November 2010 08:09, andrew burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > How about an exam before the plebs may vote? > > > > On 8 November 2010 16:06, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask] > > >wrote: > > > > > That's a really good idea Patrick - you should tell Mr Biscuit the > > > Chancellor. > > > > > > On 8 November 2010 07:55, Patrick McManus < > [log in to unmask] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Well they will stop future elections as a cost saving > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask] > ] > > On > > > > Behalf Of Mark Weiss > > > > Sent: 08 November 2010 03:10 > > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > Subject: Re: It's Henery the Eighth Agen Agen > > > > > > > > All part of the Tory plan never to be elected again. > > > > > > > > At 06:11 PM 11/7/2010, you wrote: > > > > >Actually I believe the new Jobseekers joint will specialise in > > teaching > > > > >basic numeracy and, guess what word, yup, literacy. The librarians > > > should > > > > >really appreciate that. As well as the four week streetcleaning > > holidays > > > > now > > > > >planned. > > > > > > > > > >On 7 November 2010 23:03, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Who can bring books with them to read while they wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:51 PM 11/7/2010, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Here in Leicester the former Central Library is going to become > a > > > > > >> Jobseeker's Centre, which will be very useful for the redundant > > > > > >> librarians. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 7 November 2010 17:59, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > And all of those lovely buildings waiting for other uses! > > Imagine > > > > how > > > > > >> many > > > > > >> > skateboard courses would fit in the British Library. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > At 12:22 PM 11/7/2010, you wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> Library sales are brilliant but you very soon come up against > > the > > > > > >> reason > > > > > >> >> why > > > > > >> >> public libraries are needed in the first place. While every > > time > > > I > > > > go > > > > > >> into > > > > > >> >> our local vanishing asset I am reminded of old ladies who > amass > > > > stray > > > > > >> >> cats. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> On 7 November 2010 14:53, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > On a seriuous note (when am I not serious?), there are > going > > to > > > > be > > > > > >> some > > > > > >> >> > great library sales. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > At 03:25 AM 11/7/2010, you wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> It sounds to me like a lot of interests see money is > > > dismantling > > > > > >> >> libraries > > > > > >> >> >> and are determined to make it an 'inevitable process'. > There > > > > will, > > > > > >> of > > > > > >> >> >> course, be no end of 'writers' after their slice of the > > > action. > > > > As > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> >> >> books > > > > > >> >> >> disappear so the local laureates, book doctors and > language > > > > workers > > > > > >> >> >> thrive. > > > > > >> >> >> I'm expecting the advent of Writers-in-Residence in > > > Jobcentres. > > > > > >> >> >> I suppose on the bonus side to all this in the long run > > there > > > > won't > > > > > >> be > > > > > >> >> an > > > > > >> >> >> obligation for all poets to pretend to be left-wing so the > > > > natural > > > > > >> >> animals > > > > > >> >> >> can revert to their true colours. It must be such a strain > > on > > > > them, > > > > > >> all > > > > > >> >> >> the > > > > > >> >> >> pretence, the poor things. > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> On 6 November 2010 11:39, Roger Collett < > > > > > >> [log in to unmask]> > > > > > >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > Thanks Dave. > > > > > >> >> >> > Sounds like the prelude to Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451" > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > Roger Collett > > > > > >> >> >> > Arrowhead Press > > > > > >> >> >> > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --- > > > > > >> >> >> > "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against > > reality." > > > > > >> >> >> > Jules de Gaultier > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bircumshaw" < > > > > > >> >> >> > [log in to unmask]> > > > > > >> >> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > > > >> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:26 AM > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: It's Henery the Eighth Agen Agen > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > Drat. It works in Facebook and I tried it out in the > mail > > > > before > > > > > >> >> >> posting - > > > > > >> >> >> >> try this: > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=414 > > > > 052&c=1< > > > > > > > http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=414 > %0A052&c=1<http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=414%0A%0A052&c=1> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> or if not go to > > http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/click > > > > > >> 'more > > > > > >> >> >> news' > > > > > >> >> >> >> and > > > > > >> >> >> >> look for a story dated 4th November called 'Time to > > shelve > > > > the > > > > > >> book > > > > > >> >> >> habit' > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> On 6 November 2010 11:12, Roger Collett < > > > > > >> >> [log in to unmask]> > > > > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> Yeah, but it's been imprisoned. I can't open the link > > > > anyway. > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> Roger Collett > > > > > >> >> >> >>> Arrowhead Press > > > > > >> >> >> >>> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --- > > > > > >> >> >> >>> "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against > > > reality." > > > > > >> >> >> >>> Jules de Gaultier > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bircumshaw" > < > > > > > >> >> >> >>> [log in to unmask]> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:09 AM > > > > > >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: It's Henery the Eighth Agen Agen > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>> Hmmm ... > > > > > >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> historically inapt. > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> On 6 November 2010 10:35, Roger Collett < > > > > > >> >> [log in to unmask] > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> Hmmm.... > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> I think this could do with a dose of The Spanish > > > > Inquisition. > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> "You never expect The Spanish Inquisition!!!" > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> Roger Collett > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> Arrowhead Press > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/ > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --- > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> "Imagination is the one weapon in the war against > > > > reality." > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> Jules de Gaultier > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David > Bircumshaw" > > < > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> [log in to unmask]> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 8:36 AM > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> Subject: It's Henery the Eighth Agen Agen > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> Scene: A Monty Python launderette which is also a > > > > domestic > > > > > >> >> living > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> room. > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> On > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>> a > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> sofa sit Terry Jones and Eric Idle in drag as > > > > hair-piled-high > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> housewives > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> with aprons, egg-stained cardigans and rolling > pins. > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> Housewife One (con falsetto) : 'I'm sick of all > this > > > > > >> Jean-Paul > > > > > >> >> >> Sartre, > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> what's on the box?' (looking at a washing machine) > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> Housewife Two (tweaking moustache, basso profundo) > : > > ' > > > > Just > > > > > >> >> Bloody > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> Repeats. > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> As Joyce said ' (voice changing to falsetto) > 'History > > > is > > > > the > > > > > >> >> >> nightmare > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> from > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> which I am trying to awake. Or ...' > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> (both in unison): 'It's - Yet Again - The > Dissolution > > > of > > > > The > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> Monasteries > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> Show' : > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=41 > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> -- > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen > > > > whistling" > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> The Animal Subsides > > > > > >> >> >> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> -- > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen > > > > whistling" > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> The Animal Subsides > > > > > >> >> >> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> -- > > > > > >> >> >> >> (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> >> >> "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen > > > whistling" > > > > > >> >> >> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet > > > > > >> >> >> >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > > > > >> >> >> >> The Animal Subsides > > > > > >> >> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > > > > > >> >> >> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> >> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > > > > > >> >> >> >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> -- > > > > > >> >> >> (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> >> "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen > whistling" > > > > > >> >> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet > > > > > >> >> >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > > > > >> >> >> The Animal Subsides > > > > > >> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > > > > > >> >> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > > > > > >> >> >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. > > > > > >> >> > $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely > > > > concatenation > > > > > >> of > > > > > >> >> > particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the > > word, > > > > and > > > > > >> >> through > > > > > >> >> > every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a > part, > > > > Weiss' > > > > > >> >> > fragments are like Chekhov's short stories-the more that > gets > > > > left > > > > > >> out, > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > >> >> > more they seem to contain. One can hear echoes from all the > > > > various > > > > > >> >> > ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is > pure > > > > Mark > > > > > >> >> Weiss. > > > > > >> >> > His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly > clear, > > a > > > > pure > > > > > >> >> musical > > > > > >> >> > threnody.[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a > > > person, > > > > a > > > > > >> >> > personality, this human figure at the emotional center of > the > > > > poem." > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. > > > > > >> >> > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> -- > > > > > >> >> (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling" > > > > > >> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet > > > > > >> >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > > > > >> >> The Animal Subsides > > > > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > > > > > >> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > > > > > >> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > > > > > >> >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. > > > > > >> > $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely > > > concatenation > > > > of > > > > > >> > particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the > word, > > > and > > > > > >> through > > > > > >> > every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, > > > Weiss' > > > > > >> > fragments are like Chekhov's short stories-the more that gets > > left > > > > out, > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> > more they seem to contain. One can hear echoes from all the > > > various > > > > > >> > ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure > > Mark > > > > > >> Weiss. > > > > > >> > His use of the fragment is both elegant and bafflingly clear, > a > > > pure > > > > > >> musical > > > > > >> > threnody.[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a > > person, > > > a > > > > > >> > personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the > > > poem." > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. > > > > > >> > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw > > > > > >> "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling" > > > > > >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet > > > > > >> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > > > > >> The Animal Subsides > > > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > > > > > >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > > > > > >> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > > > > > >> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. > > > > > > $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a lovely > concatenation > > > of > > > > > > particulars. Here is the poet alive in every sense of the word, > and > > > > through > > > > > > every one of his senses. Instead of missing a beat or a part, > > Weiss' > > > > > > fragments are like Chekhov's short stories-the more that gets > left > > > out, > > > > the > > > > > > more they seem to contain. One can hear echoes from all the > various > > > > > > ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its core, is pure > Mark > > > > Weiss. > > > > > > His use of the fragment is both elegant and > > > > > bafflingly clear, a pure musical > > > > > > threnody.[it] opens a window, not only into a mind, but a person, > a > > > > > > personality, this human figure at the emotional center of the > > poem." > > > > > > > > > > > > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. > > > > > > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >(David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw > > > > >"Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling" > > > > >Website and A Chide's Alphabet > > > > >http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > > > >The Animal Subsides > http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > > > > >Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > > > > >twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > > > > >blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New from Chax Press: Mark Weiss, As Landscape. > > > > $16. Order from http://www.chax.org/poets/weiss.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > "What a beautiful set of circumstances! What a > > > > lovely concatenation of particulars. Here is the > > > > poet alive in every sense of the word, and > > > > through every one of his senses. Instead of > > > > missing a beat or a part, Weiss' fragments are > > > > like Chekhov's short stories-the more that gets > > > > left out, the more they seem to contain. One can > > > > hear echoes from all the various > > > > ancestors...[but] the voice, at its center, its > > > > core, is pure Mark Weiss. His use of the fragment > > > > is both elegant and bafflingly clear, a pure > > > > musical threnody.[it] opens a window, not only > > > > into a mind, but a person, a personality, this > > > > human figure at the emotional center of the poem." > > > > > > > > M.G. Stephens, in Jacket. > > > > http://jacketmagazine.com/40/r-weiss-rb-stephens.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw > > > "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling" > > > Website and A Chide's Alphabet > > > http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > > > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > > > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > > > twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > > > blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Andrew > > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ > > 'Mother Waits for Father Late' republished available at > > http://www.picaropress.com/ > > http://www.qlrs.com/poem.asp?id=766 > > http://frankshome.org/AndrewBurke.html > > > > > > -- > (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw > "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling" > Website and A Chide's Alphabet > http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk > The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw > twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave > blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/ > -- (David Joseph) The Brothers Bircumshaw "Every old house was scaffolding once/And workmen whistling" Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/