In message <[log in to unmask]>, at 10:10:48 on Sat, 6 Nov 2010, "Bradshaw, Phillip" <[log in to unmask]> writes >>"What if the correspondence in question was about money owed by the >>ex-employee[1] to the organisation, and HR and Accounts were >>discussing what remedies they might have?" > >I am not saying I agree with Durant, compared with the Directive, but >that seems precisely a Durant situation. The focus is on "what renedies >do we have to deal with this issue" not on the data subject whose >identity is irrelevant. They could have had the same discussion about >"employee X". They might have that generic discussion when deciding what to put in the employment contract, but once an incident has arisen they may need to discuss the specific details (amounts of money, length of default), to see what form of action to take. >As a side issue as a dp officer I try to avoid such issues arising by >training managers not to identify staff when they report an incident or >ask for advice. The rule is "if I need to know I will ask, until then >keep it anonymous" That's a good idea, but may not be practicable. Hypothetical example: employee at a small school rents the hall in the evening (there's a published tariff) and runs a knitting circle whose members are bad at paying their subscriptions. Employee is late paying the rent to the school. Difficult to anonymise if everyone knows only one employee ever rents the hall. >>"And does it make a difference if the debt arose before or after his >>employment terminated? >Probably not. Although one remedy, if the amounts were large enough and/or the debt was contrary to policy, would be to initiate disciplinary processes that might ultimately lead to dismissal. -- Roland Perry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving messages please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] Full help Desk - please email [log in to unmask] describing your needs To receive these emails in HTML format send the command: SET data-protection HTML to [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^