I understand the wish for clarity, and felt it necessary to identify
how such clarity can colour some perceptions, whilst also questioning
potentially underlying outcomes.
Academic adventures frequently appear
to become a struggle of advertising and commerce versus
selling/persuasion, ideas, and freedom; The difficult issue currently
being dealt with on the list appears no different.
All my concerns
were documented in my previous email, which also had the intention of
promoting discussion on the list.
Clearly, the emphasis of the list
could be changing, so in that context it would be up to the new
owners/moderators to make whatever changes they think necessary within
the context of promoting free and open discussions about data
protection issues.
Ian W
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Sent: 21
November 2010 02:45
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Subject: Re:
[data-protection] Not For Profit - Food for thought.
Ian,
The
message was changed in an attempt to introduce further clarity, not
loopholes. If you feel that it should itemise things in additional
detail then it can be changed again.
In order to fully understand
exactly what your concerns are it may be preferable to draft something
up direct to the moderators.
For the record, I personally would
consider a charity to be a commercial venture in the current context of
that welcome message, ie. they are also bound by the conditions
therein. If we should be clearer in this regard then we'll make that
change.
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those
interested in Data Protection issues on behalf of Ian Welton
Sent: Sat
20/11/2010 11:51
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [data-
protection] Not For Profit - Food for thought.
I am somewhat
perturbed that the list welcome message is restricted to
saying it
should not be used for advertising commercial ventures and
makes no
mention of advertising not for profit ventures, (As a recent
contribution rather plainly intimated) because that could indicate
other drivers at work.
Although unlikely to occur this seems to allow
'not for profit organisations' to send promotional material to the
list
regularly without other supporting contributions-whilst support
for
charities is to be supported, should the list be a venue for such
advertising.
Ongoing previous discussions on the list seemed to
indicate that the vital issue to the list was active and direct
contributions to discussions within the list and not solely
advertising. That still seems to be the case.
Differences of opinion
in what constituted advertising arose in that contributions which
contained only web links to material providing a viewpoint relevant to
a discussion (or potentially a starting point for a discussion) were
not welcome as they were perceived as advertising.
A message that
comes over to me is that on the list the method of contribution is
more
important at the moment than the content, and whilst that does no
doubt
benefit the majority (myself included) in their main working
methods,
written language aquisition and other idiomatic areas, it
does seem to
compromise the ability of list members to be at least
introduced to
some of the technologies which are being used for
communicating
personal data other than by the familiar paradigmatic
conceptual
process of the medium of written language with its inherent
restraints.
Is this creating a restriction on the ability of data
protection to
understand the way personal data is often communicated
and more
importantly worlds in which it is being used both privately
and
commercially?
Or could that be one of the learning boundaries
best not
crossed?
Ian W
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