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I support the statement p On 29/11/2010 23:32, Gavriel Ansara wrote: > David, I am delighted to have logged on to make editorial changes, > only to find that you have already made them. > I support David's edited version of the collective statement and > believe it should be sent from the list as a whole, if people are > amenable. > I should clarify my awareness that APA is regressive and that my > intent was not to position them inaccurately as progressive, but to > use a document from an influential, mainstream psychological > organisation to frame our statement as not 'fringe', in case doing so > makes our message more accessible to psychological professionals. > Since I am unable to find an equivalent position statement from within > UK psy professions, perhaps our statement will (in part) serve that > purpose. > 'I also would prefer to try to avoid focusing on an individual such as > Zucker and focus more on the oppressive discourses and practices which > giving platforms for his work promotes' > Absolutely agreed. I'm very happy with the statement after David's > incorporation of editorial changes. Are list members in favour of > going ahead with this statement? > Gavi > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > Dear Gavi and all, > > Thank you again for all your wonderful work. > > I am a member of the interim committee of the CP Section.. Jacqui > has been consulting members. I wont divulge what is being > suggested and I expect that Jacqui A, as Chair of the interim > committee, will update us re CP Section actions but for now I > think we can assume the Section interim committee will write its > own letter rather than one on behalf of the Committee and List. > > (Some) list members may wish for a response by ’the list.’ I don't > think we technically have a resolution but we could issue a > statement of concern? However the List has no satisfactory > mechanism for generating collective statements. One alternative is > that a letter is written and people who want to do so sign up (as > Gavi has done and people are doing). However speaking out on these > matters can expose signatories to unwelcome attention and attacks. > I think we should not be collectively silenced by this but I do > think we should not underestimate the costs on individuals of > speaking out. It is safer for those of us with more privileges > (like me) to speak out than it is for those with fewer. An > alternative to a letter signed by people openly would be a letter > sent by the List moderators (Grant and m/ or me) on behalf of ‘X’ > list members. > > Regarding invoking the American Psychological Association > Resolution on Transgender, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression > Non-Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapter-12b.aspx#transgender> > (APA, 2008): I think that this would work better in a > transatlantic context than for us now here. For members of a BPS > Section addressing members of a BPS Division or members of the BPS > itself via the Psychologist by reference to an APA resolution > would, I think, read oddly and be less than desirable. Besides the > APA is so problematic in relation to so many issues (e.g. torture) > that to position the APA as progressive seems problematic to me. > Moreover I don’t think we need to invoke the authority of the APA > to oppose discrimination and support legal and social recognition > in relation to diversity. The first part and bullet points could > be omitted and the next section rewritten along those lines? > > I also would prefer to try to avoid focusing on an individual such > as Zucker and focus more on the oppressive discourses and > practices which giving platforms for his work promotes > > A version of Gavi's message edited and amended in line with the > above suggestions and with some changes suggested by others > posting on the list could look like what follows. But this is very > rough and just at this stage suggestive as an alternative: > > Statement of concern regarding Dr Kenneth Zucker’s invited keynote > lecture at the British Psychological Society Division of Clinical > Psychology Conference 2010 > The work of Dr Kenneth Zucker, which functions to undermine > support for children’s own gender and gender-associated > expression, is discriminatory against people whose own gender > differs from their gender assignment (e.g., those often labelled > ‘trans’ or ‘gender variant’) and inhibits the legal and social > recognition of transgender individuals consistent with their > gender identity and expression. promotion of discourses which > position children who self-identify as boys as ‘girls with gender > identity disorder’ or self-identified girls as ‘boys with GID’, we > believe, violates professional ethics that mandate psychological > professionals to avoid causing harm. > > In addition to problematic discriminatory discourse, problematic > practices, including behavioural reorientation work with children, > violates international human rights policies, including the United > Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by > interfering with children’s freedom of play and expression, and by > failing to provide children the opportunity to be heard and their > views to be given due weight, in relation to their experiences of > their own gender and gender-associated expression. Deterring > children from wearing clothes associated with any gender, from > playing with friends of any gender, or from engaging in play > stereotypically associated with any gender is oppressive. > > Members of the UK Community Psychology discussion list are > concerned that the problematic discourses and practices, promoted > by Dr Zucker's work, continue to receive support from within > British psychology and that they are proactively promoted through > Dr Zucker being afforded leadership positions on the American > Psychological Association Task Force on Gender Identity, Gender > Variance, and Intersex Conditions, the American Psychiatric > Association Workgroup on Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders > preparing the 2012 edition of the DSM-V and the World Professional > Association for Transgender Health (WPATH, formerly the Harry > Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association) Standards of > Care (SOC) Workgroup Committee. > We urge the British Psychological Society Division of Clinical > Psychology and all psychological professionals to: > > * support legal and social recognition of people of all ages in > a manner consistent with their self-designated gender > * protect the freedom of all children to play, dress, > friendship, and expression associated with any gender > * condemn behavioural reorientation work with children > * boycott and protest psychological environments that support > discriminatory and oppressive discourses and practices which > functions to undermine support for children’s own gender and > gender-associated expression, are discriminatory against people > whose own gender differs from their gender assignment and inhibit > the legal and social recognition of transgender individuals > consistent with their gender identity and expression > > names or > > On behalf of X Members of the UK Community Psychology Discussion list > November, 2010 > > > > David Fryer > Professor of Community Critical Psychology, Charles Sturt > University, Australia > Professor Extraordinarius, University of South Africa > Honorary Senior Research Fellow, University of Stirling, Scotland > President: European Community Psychology Association > > ________________________________ > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Gavriel > Ansara [[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] > Sent: 29 November 2010 18:29 > To: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Rough draft of brief statement on behalf of CommPsy > Section and/or CommPsy list? > > Dear David and Section/list folk, > > Below is a rough draft that I can edit and complete this evening, > but I wanted to share the basic scaffold for your input and feedback. > I can add citations tonight, too, so I am aware that these need to > be added. > I've signed and perhaps we could combine individual signatures > with organisational/institutional/list/section affiliations in the > final version. > > Gavi > -- > > November, 2010 Resolution against Dr Kenneth Zucker’s invited > keynote at the Department of Clinical Psychology at Manchester > As community and critical psychologists, we invoke the American > Psychological Association Resolution on Transgender, Gender > Identity, and Gender Expression > Non-Discrimination<http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/chapter-12b.aspx#transgender> > (APA, 2008) that calls on psychologists to play a leadership role in: > > * > ending discrimination against people whose own gender differs > from their gender assignment (e.g., those often labelled ‘trans’ > or ‘gender variant’) > * > 'support(ing) legal and social recognition of transgender > individuals consistent with their gender identity and expression’. > > The work of Dr Kenneth Zucker is in clear violation of this policy > due to his refusal to support children’s own gender and > gender-associated expression. We are concerned by discriminatory > nature of his pathologizing treatment of children. Referring to > children who self-identify as boys as ‘girls with gender identity > disorder’ or self-identified girls as ‘boys with GID’ contravenes > the spirit of APA’s resolution and, we believe, constitutes a > violation of professional ethics that mandate psychological > professionals to avoid causing harm. (should I add more here about > the results of his 'treatment' or not?) > In addition to violating APA policy on recognising people’s own > gender, Dr Zucker’s behavioural reorientation work with children > violates international human rights policies, including the United > Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) by > interfering with children’s freedom of play and expression. > Deterring children from wearing clothes associated with any > gender, from playing with friends of any gender, or from engaging > in play stereotypically associated with any gender constitutes > harmful discrimination. > We are alarmed that Dr Zucker continues to receive support from > within psychology and that he continues to hold leadership > positions on the American Psychological Association Task Force on > Gender Identity, Gender Variance, and Intersex Conditions, the > American Psychiatric Association Workgroup on Sexual and Gender > Identity Disorders preparing the 2012 edition of the DSM-V and the > World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH, > formerly the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria > Association) Standards of Care (SOC) Workgroup Committee. The > influence of Dr Zucker’s discriminatory approach on these three > key policy-making organisations that address treatment of people > with self-designated, non-assigned gender inhibits their ability > to achieve the goals of APA’s resolution. Rather than take a > leadership role in ending discrimination, psychological > institutions and committees that give Dr Zucker a platform to > spread his bigoted ideas in some cases violate their own > resolutions and directives. > We urge the Department of Clinical Psychology and other > professional environments to consider the non-pathologizing and > supportive approaches offered by Diane Ehrensaft, Edgardo > Menvielle, Herb Schreier, and other professionals who have > successfully assisted these young people in actualising their own > gender and gender-associated expression. > We urge psychological professionals to : > > * support legal and social recognition of people of all ages in > a manner consistent with their self-designated gender > * protect the freedom of all children to play, dress, > friendship, and expression associated with any gender > * condemn Dr Zucker’s behavioural reorientation work with children > * boycott and protest psychological environments that support > Dr Zucker’s work > In conscience and community, > Y. Gavriel Ansara, MSc, Department of Psychology, University of Surrey > (add your signatures here) > > -- > Mr Y. Gavriel Ansara, MSc > 席嘉力 آتش جاوید גבריאל יוסף > > 'Zoos are full, prisons are overflowing... my, how the world still > dearly loves a cage.' -Maude > > ٠•●♥Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥●•٠·˙ > > PhD Candidate & Academic Tutor > University of Surrey, Department of Psychology > http://www.psy.surrey.ac.uk/index.htm > > Founder & Co-Coordinator, Critical Psychology at Surrey > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=373193592940&ref=ts > <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=373193592940&ref=ts> > > Teaching Faculty, The Kerulos Ctr > http://kerulos.org/ > > Contributing Author, Counselling Ideologies: Queer Challenges to > Heteronormativity > http://www.ashgate.com/isbn/9780754676836 > > Member & Co-Author, Professionals Concerned with Gender Diagnoses > in the DSM > http://www.professionals.gidreform.org/ > > Former Founding Director & Former Founding Advocates Programme > Co-Supervisor, Lifelines Rhode Island/Cuerdas de Salvamento > http://lifelinesri.org/ > > Speaker on Multicultural Issues, Organisation Intersex > International (OII) > http://intersexualite.org/Gavi.html > > ___________________________________ The Community Psychology List > has a new website/blog at: http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/ > There is a threaded discussion forum: > http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi > There is a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK To post on > the website blog, forum or twitter feed, contact Grant or David at > the email addresses below. 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Gavriel Ansara, MSc > 席嘉力 آتش جاوید גבריאל יוסף > > 'Zoos are full, prisons are overflowing... my, how the world still > dearly loves a cage.' -Maude > > ٠•●♥Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ♥●•٠·˙ > > PhD Candidate & Academic Tutor > University of Surrey, Department of Psychology > http://www.psy.surrey.ac.uk/index.htm > > Founder & Co-Coordinator, Critical Psychology at Surrey > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=373193592940&ref=ts > <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=373193592940&ref=ts> > > Teaching Faculty, The Kerulos Ctr > http://kerulos.org/ > > Contributing Author, Counselling Ideologies: Queer Challenges to > Heteronormativity > http://www.ashgate.com/isbn/9780754676836 > > Member & Co-Author, Professionals Concerned with Gender Diagnoses in > the DSM > http://www.professionals.gidreform.org/ > > Former Founding Director & Former Founding Advocates Programme > Co-Supervisor, Lifelines Rhode Island/Cuerdas de Salvamento > http://lifelinesri.org/ > > Speaker on Multicultural Issues, Organisation Intersex International (OII) > http://intersexualite.org/Gavi.html > > ___________________________________ The Community Psychology List has > a new website/blog at: http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/ There is > a threaded discussion forum: > http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi There > is a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK To post on the > website blog, forum or twitter feed, contact Grant or David at the > email addresses below. 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