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No, the same. Its mainly the thought that people could actually sign it rather than coming from the committee. Sorry for crossed lines. E On 24 Nov 2010, at 18:21, Jacqueline Akhurst (J.Akhurst) wrote: > Hi Erica, > > Do you suggest a different petition to the one Valeska refers to in > her last paragraph below? > > Jacqui > > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Erica Brostoff > Sent: 24 November 2010 18:17 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Section and Zucker - Update > > Could you post a petition or whatever equivalent is suitable and > get members of the Community Section to sign, Erica (I would do so) > > > On 24 Nov 2010, at 18:10, Jacqueline Akhurst (J.Akhurst) wrote: > > > Dear all, > > A brief response: The interim committee of the BPS Community > Psychology Section meets for the first time tomorrow, and I will > table the proposal for response. As I’m sure you will appreciate, I > wish to work as democratically as possible as the chair, hence my > silence up to this point. (Personally, I heartily support a protest > of some sort). I guess this is an immediate challenge to the new > Section (we’re not a Division) – a ‘test case’ … > > Best wishes, > Jacqui > > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Valeska Matziol > Sent: 24 November 2010 17:38 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Section and Zucker - Update > > Hi again! > > Me too, I would strongly urge the Division of Community Psychology > to become active and join the protest. After all I thought one of > our reasons for establishing the division was to try and promote > change within the profession from the inside or am I mistaken? > Also, I'm not sure what point there was to join the ranks of the > BPS (as a division) and put up with the restrictions this > necessarily entails if we're not going to use the benefits this new > position gives us when appropriate. > > The Psychology of Women and the Psychology of Sexualities sections > have both already contacted the DCP with a statement about their > concerns and some members of the Faculty of Sexual Health and HIV > of the DCP have also expressed concerns to us though I’m not sure > whether they have also contacted the DCP, too. > > One of the protest organizers here in Manchester has recently met > with Jen Unwin (DCP Conference Committee Chair) to discuss the > issues face to face but unfortunately very little was achieved at > this meeting. The DCP have offered a 50 minute slot after Zucker's > presentation for an alternative perspective but it has been > difficult to locate an appropriate speaker as the people who were > contacted are either busy on the 3rd of December or haven’t > responded yet. The DCP have already organised Polly Carmichael to > discuss GID with Zucker, but we have concerns about how much of a > debate this would be as Jen Unwin has stated that Polly sees his > views as ‘controversial' but nonetheless 'valid'. She also cites > Zucker regularly in her own research, so we’re not sure how much of > a debate this would be. > > The same person is writing a paper/commentary for the Psychology of > Women Section Review (PoWSR) about the keynote and our protest and > she’s discussing other possible events with the Chair of the > Psychology of Sexualities. In addition, a trainee clinical > psychologist wants to write something for the Clinical Psychology > Forum, and a PhD student has promised to provide a critique of > Zucker’s flawed use of statistics to back up his claims. > > Regarding the actual protest, we had another meeting last night and > decided to try and > – get our counter statement to Zucker’s proposals included > in the conference pack > – see if we could read out our statement at the end of > Zucker’s keynote in the absence of having someone to challenge him > in a podium discussion (as we are mostly students or professionals > from other disciplines we don’t feel we could effectively challenge > him ourselves in a debate) > – hand the statement out to delegates on their way into the > conference venue on 1st and 2nd December > – stage a protest outside the conference venue on 3rd > December (starting at 8.30am in time with registration and lasting > at least till after the keynote scheduled for 11am) > > There will be another meeting held at the Manchester University > Student’s Union next Tuesday, 30th November at 6pm for banner > making and chant rehearsals and everybody’s more than welcome to join. > > I will forward the protest flyer and any other relevant handouts or > documents in the next couple fo days. but if you’d like to find out > more in the meantime or get involved, please get in touch by email > to [log in to unmask] Alternatively, the event is also > on Facebook so find us there. And please promote the protest and > the online petition (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/zucker2010/ > signatures) to as many people as possible, especially to those who > might be (or are) attending the conference. If you know anyone who > will be attending the conference, please encourage them to boycott > Zucker’s keynote (they can always join us outside for the duration) > or challenge him from the floor and to complain to the conference > organizers about his invitation. > > Many thanks! > > V. > > > --- Annie Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> schrieb am Mi, > 24.11.2010: > > Von: Annie Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> > Betreff: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Section and Zucker > An: [log in to unmask] > Datum: Mittwoch, 24. November, 2010 13:55 Uhr > > Yes I support the proposals David makes here. > > > > Annie Mitchell > > > > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Fryer > Sent: 24 November 2010 11:40 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Section and Zucker > > > > Dear All, > > > > The new interim committee of the BPS Section of Community > Psychology meets on Thursday. I believe the committee (of which I > am a member but can not attend) should take a stand upon the > Society giving Prof Zucker a platform for his views. My own > previously expressed views are (to repeat): > > > > I believe that providing a BPS platform, amplification and implied > legitimacy of a keynote presentation at a BPS Division Conference > for the relaying of such repugnant and dangerous views, and the > associated oppressive practices they support, is appalling. I would > support of a strong statement being issued by the members of the > Community Psychology Section interim committee dissociating the CP > Section from this endorsement by the Society of this oppressive > position. I would support that that statement being broadcast both > inside and outside the Society. I would also support the Community > Psychology Section approaching the conference organisers requesting > the opportunity for someone on this list to express a counter- > position as a discussant. Whether or not that request was granted, > I would be happy to support (if there are sufficient funds) the CP > interim committee funding the attendance at the conference of > someone to make a progressive counter-statement on the podium or > from the floor. I know someone on this list who would be ideal to > play that role. A letter to The Psychologist by the members of the > Community Psychology Section interim committee dissociating the CP > Section from this endorsement by the Society of this oppressive > position, is the least I would expect. > > > > I think it would be useful if as many other members of this list as > possible made their views clear to the committee so that they can > be taken into account. > > > > David > > > > ___________________________________ The Community Psychology List > has a new website/blog at: http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/ > There is a threaded discussion forum: http:// > www.communitypsychology.co.uk/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi There is a > twitter feed:http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK To post on the website > blog, forum or twitter feed, contact Grant or David at the email > addresses below. 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David Fryer ([log in to unmask]) or Grant > Jeffrey ([log in to unmask]) To unsubscribe or to change your > details on this COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website:http:// > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUK > ___________________________________ The Community Psychology List > has a new website/blog at: http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/ > There is a threaded discussion forum:http:// > www.communitypsychology.co.uk/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi There is a > twitter feed:http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK To post on the website > blog, forum or twitter feed, contact Grant or David at the email > addresses below. 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