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The advice below seems to clinch the matter, One assumes that rider leapt from his saddle and swam after the fox. Two other hunting questions related to the Jorrocks novels: 1. Were Binjamin and Artaxerxes hounds ? 2, In which book does Jorrocks advise that "of all daft devis under the sun A grey 'ound's the daftest" Grateful once more for advice. Good wishes to all, John R ----- Original Message ----- From: [log in to unmask] To: John Radcliffe Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: A definition Selle: means saddle or seat - a place for sitting like a chair - it was first used in the 15th century. Perhaps to get down from his saddle? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Radcliffe" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, October 4, 2010 8:09:31 AM Subject: A definition We are currently annotating "An Almanac of Twelve Sports", verses by Kipling, illustrations by Nicholson. The first two lines of "Hunting" are: Certes it is a noble sport And men have quitted selle and swum for't. Can anyone suggest a meaning for 'quitted selle'. All suggestions will be gratefully received. Good wishes to all, John R