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Sorry if I made you cross with my posting Nicholas.



On 7 Oct 2010, at 15:44, Nick Cooper wrote:

Whilst I hate to stifle debate could the interested parties possibly take this conversation out of the public domain - please.

Sent by Nicholas Cooper using BlackBerry® from Orange

From: Johnson Ian <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:34:46 +0100
ReplyTo: Johnson Ian <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Information Management in Museums - Free training

Subjectively, yes Matt, it makes sense. Stating that they are putting this on more than one list or 'cross posting' is surely pretty transparent though and quite useful 'at a glance' to multiple subscribers...and we are British after all!
 
Apologies for clogging up everyone's e-mail.
 
Many thanks-Ian 

From: The UK Records Management mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Matt Summers
Sent: 07 October 2010 15:21
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Information Management in Museums - Free training

'Cross posting' should continue, as indeed it will. I see no problem whatsoever with the content of any of the emails and I totally understand why they are sent, but there lies my point. There is no reason to be 'sorry'. The email is being sent for a purpose which really isn't untoward. I think people feel pressured into adopting the practice for fear of appearing rude, as it seems to have become a standard with it's own mis-placed terminology ('cross-posting') when it's clearly wrong (like the adoption of the term 'stone-wall penalty'...).
I would never say that people / organisations should stop emailing the list with their relevant courses (or whatever), just that they should be more transparent. Make sense?


On 7 Oct 2010, at 15:08, Johnson Ian wrote:

Hi Matt,
 
The cross posting should cease or the disclaimer? If it's the former, that would stop posters reaching potential audiences that may be interested and they are pigeon holing themselves when they should rightly be thinking more holistically and sharing information across proffesions where it is salient. If it's the latter; agree to disagree.
 
Kind Regards-Ian
From: The UK Records Management mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Matt Summers
Sent: 07 October 2010 14:57
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Information Management in Museums - Free training

*** Apologies for ranting ***

Hi Ian,

My point is it's completely false. It's the same as saying 'Sorry for handing you this leaflet', but then doing it anyway.
If you really were sorry, you wouldn't do it!
I know 'why' it is done but I totally disagree with it; the manner in which it is used is (ironically) actually rude as it shows a total disregard for the recipient. This is quite the opposite from the courtesy it was intended to be and is, in my opinion, a practice which should cease.

Cheers,

Matt


On 7 Oct 2010, at 14:45, Johnson Ian wrote:

I may be missing the irony, but this means posting to more than one mailing list where a professional may be subscribed to more than one, thus getting the same e-mail multiple times. It's just a professional courtesy.
 
Kind Regards-Ian
From: The UK Records Management mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Matt Summers
Sent: 07 October 2010 14:37
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Subject: Re: Information Management in Museums - Free training

Funnily enough I was thinking the exact same thing before reading this email. Surely the only real reason to apologise for 'cross-posting', (whatever that actually means) would be if you were to email the list completely off topic but for some reason you may feel worthy. Examples might include:

 - Helping you find your missing dog
 - Realising you're adopted and hoping your parents my subscribe to this list
 - Trying to sell the stuff in your attic
 - Sponsoring you to complete a successful SharePoint implementation
 - The list goes on.

I don't buy the apologies bit; it's not genuine and therefore completely unnecessary.

Sorry for my comments (Not really - I mean it).

Matt




On 7 Oct 2010, at 12:35, McClen James (South of Tyne and Wear) wrote:

…and what does it mean? – an ill-tempered email?
Jim McClen
Serving Gateshead, South Tyneside and Sunderland Primary Care Trusts
From: The UK Records Management mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Done, John [TSP UK - Manchester]
Sent: 07 October 2010 12:06
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Subject: Re: Information Management in Museums - Free training
Why do so many people apologise for cross posting, then do it anyway?

From: The UK Records Management mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Teuteberg, Samira
Sent: 07 October 2010 12:03
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Information Management in Museums - Free training

Apologies for cross posting. The London Museums Hub Information and Records management is pleased to present free training on improving information management in museums.

London Museums Hub Workshops Improving Information Management 1: Preparing for and developing your information policy

Date: Thursday 21st October 2010

Location: The Brunei Gallery, SOAS (Central London)

Time: 9.30am - 12.30pm
Cost: The training is funded by Renaissance London / MLA and is free to museum staff (paid and unpaid) working in London
Facilitator: London Museums Hub Records Project
Refreshments will be provided

This is the first of two workshop sessions provided by the London Museums Hub, aimed at helping museums improve the way in which they manage information. Looking beyond the collections, but retaining a museum-specific focus, these sessions will draw on best practice and case studies taken from the London Hub Information Management Project to help participants begin the process of identifying and addressing information management issues in their museums.

Improving information management is in effect change management and it is therefore important to obtain an organisational mandate ahead of the process of change. This half-day session will:

·    Introduce you to the London Museums Hub Information Policy Framework
·    Outline some of the approaches that can be used to obtain a mandate for an information policy in your museum
·    Step through the process of writing, agreeing and implementing your information policy.

It is a participative workshop and will include the review and analysis of real-life information policies from a range of organisations.

It is aimed at staff with responsibility for any aspect of information management within their museums, particularly those with responsibilities across their organisation.

The session will be presented by Alice Grant Consulting Ltd.

To book a place please contact Sinead Wheeler [log in to unmask]  or and let her know if you have any special dietary or access requirements.

Samira Teuteberg
Hub Records Management Advisor, Information Resources Section
Museum of London
150 London Wall
London. EC2Y 5HN
Tel: 0870 444 3852 Mob: 07958677767
Fax: 0870 444 3853
Email: [log in to unmask]
www.museumoflondon.org.uk 


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