As all good posts should start:

 

In my humble opinion….

 

In the original article, the quoted example of confusion with regards to the use of the acronym STEM is stem cells. In fact, stem cells become a nice analogy for what I mean when I speak about working in STEM education.

 

A stem cell is one that has the potential to become any other type of cell (broadly speaking). A STEM student also benefits from that same kind of potential - they can appreciate the variety, impact and opportunities that STEM offers both them as an individual and society as a whole.

 

In the UK, people are starting to “get” STEM. Teachers are starting after-school STEM clubs; schools are organising departments and buildings based on STEM subjects working together; the talk is of STEM-qualified graduates and a STEM skilled workforce.

 

I understand the problems associated with acronyms. The acronym STEM is also flawed, but it goes some way to address the problems inherent in the term “scientific literacy”. I think we should stick with STEM until something better comes along, rather than disposing of it altogether.

 

Liz Lister

 

 

From: jennifer gristock [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 07 October 2010 12:31
Subject: Re: STEM education has little to do with broccoli

 

 

As an engineer, I'd agree with many of Richard's points. And yes, as far as acronyms go, its not too bad. But let's not forget, acronyms are *awful*. For starters, most are meaningless. But worse, a meaningless acronym communicates -very effectively- that the people in charge of naming the activity value specialists above all others. 

 

Which isn't to say that an acronym isn't useful within a specialist context. But if it is going to be diffused into public territory [on the web, on posters, the name of a prize, etc.] that is quite different.

 

It is is another example of the tension and trade-off between maintaining accuracy and creating understanding in a wider group.  

 

 

Dr Jenny Gristock

Science Writer and Academic

http://web.me.com/gristock/jen/

 

 

On 6 Oct 2010, at 18:46, Richard Ellam wrote:



Hi Judith (and all) 

 

While I understand where you are coming from, and entirely take your point that journalists are lazy about the use of the word 'scientist' I don't think its patronising to want to have a general term to describe what we do.

 

The problem that I face is that in my work, presenting science shows, I cover a range of disciplines, including physics, chemistry and engineering, as well as philosophy and the history of science. That's quite a mouthful, and gabbling that lot off every time someone asks what I do make me sound like a pretentious, pedantic twit.

 

So its better to say I do science shows, even if I'd agree with you that some of the stuff I talk about shouldn't really be called science. I also work with primary schools - they don't 'do' physics and chemistry, and ... They 'do' 'science', and they have 'science coordinators' who lead the teaching of 'science'.

 

The reason we need something like 'STEM' to cover the range of subjects we talk about is that there isn't really any existing collective term that covers 'the sciences' plus engineering and other technologies, and mathematics. By comparison painting and opera and sculpture and literature and dance not to mention music and (sometimes) cinema, arguably equally as diverse a group of subjects as those covered by 'STEM' are quite happy to be subsumed under the collective banner of 'the arts'.  

 

Perhaps because scientists (and the rest) are more given to demanding accuracy in the use of language all attempts to subsume mathematics and engineering  and technology within a grouping known as 'the sciences' meet with resistance, so that's why we need a term like 'STEM'.

 

Its interesting to ask why if the 'T' stands for technology, which surely subsumes engineering within it, the engineers get their own letter 'E' as well, and so get counted twice. I suspect the reason is that if you want make a pronounceable acronym it needs at least one vowel, and this is most conveniently obtained from the engineers!

 

So, yes we do need 'STEM' or something like it, unless you want to try and persuade engineers and mathematicians that they are really scientists 

(good luck!), and as acronyms go its not too bad, and I think that its now quite well understood here in the UK, even if the Americans get confused by it, poor dears.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

Richard Ellam

L M Interactive

Science Shows and Hands-On Stuff

 



 

On 6 Oct 2010, at 13:16, Judith Bunting wrote:




Hear hear.

 

Has long stuck me that one problem with 'science' education, is that such a variety of interesting stuff is lumped under a single word. What's wrong with talking about biology, chemistry, and good old physics? Not to mention biochemistry, metallurgy, pure mathematics etc etc. If we read about an artist, they're unlikely to write plays.

 

Correct titles for experts are informative, and yet journalists often simply term experts 'a scientist', or say that 'scientists report'. It's wasteful, lazy and doing the myriad glorious subjects we all care about, no favours whatsoever.

  

Are we so patronising we don't think anyone outside will appreciate the difference between different disciplines?

 

'STEM' is just another step in the same horrible, reductionist, direction.

 

 

Judith 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Judith Bunting

07914 835 073

 

 


From: Phillip Kent <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010 12:49:31
Subject: [PSCI-COM] STEM education has little to do with broccoli

I enjoyed reading this piece in the New York Times which expressed some
of my own frustrations with the 'whole STEM thing' ....

STEM Education Has Little to Do With Flowers
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/05/science/05angier.html

<quote>
According to survey results released last month by the nonprofit group
Entertainment Industries Council, when some 5,000 participants were
asked whether they understood the term “STEM education,” 86 percent said
no. “They said it made them think of stem cells, branches, leaves and
broccoli stems,” said Brian Dyak, the group’s president. “I have no clue
on that last one.” Clearly, he added, “we have a branding issue here.”
</quote>



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