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You're right Penny, the list can potentially do more than just co-ordinate. It might also help people to meet and form the nucleus of groups, so it is both/and, not either/or. What I had in mind was simply that action against the cuts clearly needs to be both broad-based and local - perhaps "community based", to coin a phrase. J. On 25/10/2010 16:17, Penny Priest wrote: > I felt an ember of inspiration in response to Wendy's post and I agree with > you John - 'The list could be a useful way of co-ordinating information > about this kind of activity but people do actually need to materially do it > for themselves. The Midlands Psychology Group formed itself to wield > collective influence in precisely this way and if we can do it, so can > others'. But I wonder if some of what happens when it works (whatever I mean > by that...) is that there is a combination of internet and real life meeting > of each other - that there needs to be both. I sometimes look at the > discussions between various list contributors and wonder if there is often a > much better 'meeting' where people also have real life meetings. I know this > is all rather vague and rambling, but I'm trying to ask something about how > solidarity happens and what it can achieve...and I guess, how solidarity > doesn't happen, and what happens then? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cromby"<[log in to unmask]> > To:<[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Spending Cuts > > >> It's perhaps predictable that the list should devote more energy to >> discussing the etiquette of discussion than to the vital issues that Wendy >> raises here. >> >> Patently there's no easy answer. The difficult but achievable answers >> consist in building alliances with others and using collective resources >> to challenge what is being proposed. The list could be a useful way of >> co-ordinating information about this kind of activity but people do >> actually need to materially do it for themselves. The Midlands Psychology >> Group formed itself to wield collective influence in precisely this way >> and if we can do it, so can others. Clearly though, the present moment >> also demands much more broad-based alliances that involve users of >> services as well as their purveyors. >> >> A more comprehensive understanding of what's going on is something that >> might also be useful, and despite her many seductive charms in my opinion >> we'll not find that in Polly Toynbee. Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine' >> (2007) provides a highly accessible account of the political and economic >> strategy currently being implemented here. It pre-dates current events by >> a few years whilst prefiguring perfectly what is happening, showing how >> the ideology driving current policy has its roots in the 1960's and has >> informed economic policy across the globe in recent years. Its recently >> been made into a film by Michael Winterbottom: no idea what its like but >> he's a good director so if you're a fan of infotainment maybe you'd prefer >> it in that format. >> >> J. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 25/10/2010 08:09, Wendy Franks wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I had a wonderful day out on Saturday at 'Feminism in London 2010' >>> >>> It was a day full of inspiration, but also, not just a little >>> provocation in terms of how far society has to go in relation to >>> equality of all sorts. >>> >>> A stream of amazing women stood up in various workshops, presentations >>> and discussions, and offered critical analysis of situations from >>> international 'development', sexualisation of children and >>> commodification of women in a widespread and increasing 'pornification' >>> of culture, and not least, the disproportionate burden upon women that >>> is anticipated with the latest round of Tory spending cuts. >>> >>> In the interest of comradeship and extending our focus beyond our >>> internal struggles for a moment, I wondered if anyone has news of >>> action, or thoughts about how we might organise to resist? >>> >>> A union march went by the conference, and speakers were invited in to >>> share ideas and plans. At present, a meeting is being set up for women >>> to get together in London and develop further plans for protest, which I >>> hope I will be able to attend. When I hear news, will try to remember to >>> mention it here. On the way to London, a friend and I were discussing >>> the use of technologies such as facebook to connect more widely and >>> organise our response. >>> >>> I fear that many of us will sit in stunned silence and not know what to >>> do about the attack on our public services and the poorest people in our >>> society, while the very richest continue to legally evade making their >>> proportionate contribution. >>> >>> I do not want to be one of the silent ones. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Wendy >>> >>> ___________________________________ The Community Psychology List has a >>> new website/blog at: http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/ There is a >>> threaded discussion forum: >>> http://www.communitypsychology.co.uk/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi There is >>> a twitter feed: http://twitter.com/CommPsychUK To post on the website >>> blog, forum or twitter feed, contact Grant or David at the email >>> addresses below. 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