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However, I do think that there is a big problem that we as a community have not yet begun to address. That is that projects are set up because they are (or at least seem to be) interesting and have a considerable development portion. This requires one set of skills. Running a service requires a very different set of skills. Project staff are typically appointed because they have good project skills. It is then very difficult for them to turn the project into a service. I think that Intute is an exception which did manage to successfully move from a variety of projects into a proper service environment. I hope that JISC (and others) will look at what made the transition successful there, and why it has failed on numerous other occassions, and thus what is needed to help projects start off with the idea of becoming a service. I strongly suspect that projects that are created as services with some development will have greater success than those created as projects that try to elide into services. I also believe that JISC does make it difficult for projects (and services) to move out of a JISC funded model by the IPR restrictions that they put on projects and services. Basically, everything has to be given away, and continue to be given away for 2-3 years after the end of JISC funding. This significantly restricts what projects and services can do to move down a commercial model to support the service. regards Tom. Tom Franklin Tom Franklin Consulting Ltd 9 Redclyffe Road Withington Manchester M20 3JR email: [log in to unmask] phone: 0161 408 4401 mobile: 07989 948 221 skype: tomnfranklin web: http://www.franklin-consulting.co.uk/ Registered in England and Wales: 6948162 -----Original Message----- From: Repositories discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Derek Law Sent: 02 September 2010 13:11 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute As one of the ageing suits who chaired committees which set up most of these services, I agree with Andy and Charles. JISC has a brilliant record of starting things off, setting them up, then giving them the space and time to become viable. If they don't the result is inevitable. I know this from bitter experience. The BUBL service here at Strathclyde was cut off after many years of funding. Nothing is forever. We need to learn the lessons and move on not moan that it's unfair Derek Law ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Professor Derek Law Turnbull Building University of Strathclyde 155 George Street Glasgow G1 1RD United Kingdom Tel: +44 141 548 4997 The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, number SC015263. ________________________________________ From: Repositories discussion list [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of C Oppenheim [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 02 September 2010 11:45 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Lessons of Intute The service was not USED enough and therefore could not justify its cost to JISC. JISC should not be in the business of subsidising services which aren't being used or appreciated. One might speculate as to why Intute (I agree a really silly name) was used so little, and that's where lessons can indeed be learned. Charles