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Jamie, I apologise. Perhaps “entrenched” was too strong a word. What I was trying to get at is that both Tim and your views on poetry seem passionately held. Original Message: Jeff, my complaint about your remark is in some ways similar to Tim's. Apart perhaps from that post some days back, for whose length I apologized, I don't think my position really is as entrenched, or even as settled, as you suppose.