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A somewhat bigger point to ponder is the diversity of activities which call themselves 'Science Communication' . James Piercy and I are both writers and presenters of science shows, and I have a sideline in making hands-on exhibits and show props. I guess that most readers of Psci-Com are more involved in science journalism or PR than in doing what James and I do. All of these activities are subsumed under the heading 'Science Communication', but it seems probable that they are so diverse in practise that they have no core skills (apart from reading and writing) in common. So it seems ridiculous to suggest that a single qualification or accreditation scheme could apply to all of these activities... Hope this helps Richard. Richard Ellam L M Interactive Science Shows and Hands-On Stuff [log in to unmask] www.lminteractive.co.uk On 6 Aug 2010, at 10:11, James Piercy wrote: >> A point to challenge people on, does the value that you place on >> the training that you require come above or below the value of the >> communication/engagement activities that you charge others (or if >> it is free to the user, the cost that the activity requires to put >> on)? > I think this disparity is based on a perception that the > qualification/ certification may become a requirement, rather than > that the training itself is a valuable commodity. A fair point > given that many people have been involved in science communication > for many years. It's hard to see how a 5 day course would teach > much to someone with 20 years experience. It's essential that any > scheme has some way of recognising this experience rather than just > providing a piece of paper showing attendance on a short course. > > James Piercy > Science Communicator > Science Made Simple Ltd (East) > 303 Dereham Road > Norwich > Norfolk > NR2 3TJ > tel 07709968590 > bookings tel 02920 876 884 > [log in to unmask] > www.sciencemadesimple.co.uk > > > > > > > On 6 Aug 2010, at 09:59, Bruce Etherington wrote: > >> Some interesting stuff here Dom, one thing that occurs to me from >> the data is that the "preferred" length of course and the >> preferred costs lead to some potentially quite low daily rates. Is >> there any correlation between the length of course preferred and >> the costs people are prepared to pay? I would expect this to be >> the case and it would be useful to show what people are prepared >> to pay for the different lengths/depths of course >> >> A point to challenge people on, does the value that you place on >> the training that you require come above or below the value of the >> communication/engagement activities that you charge others (or if >> it is free to the user, the cost that the activity requires to put >> on)? >> >> Secondly, how important is qualification rather than >> certification? If a set of training courses/skills development >> porfolio is agreed as an "industry standard" then the need for >> examination is not necessarily required. Running qualifications >> takes ahuge amount of administrative work, especially if being >> delivered by different organisations and individuals and as part >> of a tailored personal approach (not least in the work required >> for quality assurance). I am not saying that quaifications are not >> important, but that there is additional value and costs associated >> with that route that may not be necessary if the qualification >> element is not important to the 'industry'. >> >> Bruce >> >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> 1. To suspend yourself from the list, whilst on leave, for example, >> send an email to mailto:[log in to unmask] with the following >> message: >> >> set psci-com nomail -- [include hyphens] >> >> 2. To resume email from the list, send an email to >> [log in to unmask] with the message: >> >> set psci-com mail -- [include hyphens] >> >> 3. To leave psci-com, send an email to [log in to unmask] >> with the message: >> >> leave psci-com -- [include hyphens] >> >> 4. Further information about the psci-com discussion list, >> including list archive, can be found at the list web site: http:// >> www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/psci-com.html >> >> 5. 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