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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Maddy, One of the problems here is that such local pilgrimage shrines were often quite short-lived: thaumaturgical enthusiasm flared up and then died down again, often moving elsewhere. This makes it difficult to make clear differentiations between a statue of the Virgin and Child as a devotional image, which was extremely common, and a cult image, to which people resorted for thaumaturgical interventions. The same applied to many relics. It was only the most successful pilgrimage shrines that lasted, and they were probably in the minority. Thanks, anyway, for the further reference here. Cheers, Jim Madeleine Gray wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > I'm getting a bit more doubtful about this one, I'm afraid. Graham > found another reference in Lloyd's History of Carmarthenshire to > Llanllwch being dedicated to the BVM (you'll be aware there is often > some difficulty with the dedications of Welsh churches because so many > seem t have been rededicated by the Normans) and I found two more > references in Rhys ap Thomas's will where it wasn't clear whether he > was talking about a statue of a saint or the church dedicated to them. > In each case he is leaving a vestment, but of course that would be > appropriate for either a church or a statue. > But there is clearer evidence for Llanystumdwy - do you have that one? > There are references in Glanmor Williams, The Welsh Church from > Conquest to Reformation (p 493), and Jane Cartwright in Feminine > Sanctity and Spirituality in Medieval Wales prints (and translates) > extracts from an anonymous poem describing the shrine as 'God's court > on the edge of the meadow'. The shrine was known as 'Mair o'r Trwn', > 'Mary of the Throne', so the statue was presumably the Throne of > Wisdom rather than the standing type of (eg) Penrhys. > > Best wishes > Maddy > > Dr Madeleine Gray > Reader in History > School of Education/Ysgol Addysg > University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd > Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, > Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 > > 'We are not bound to win but we are bound to be true' (Barack Obama) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval > religious culture on behalf of Dr Jim Bugslag > *Sent:* Tue 10/08/2010 7:36 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] cult statues of the Virgin Mary > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Hello Maddy, > I don't have this site on my database. Yet! All I have in the Welsh > double L category are Llanfair and Llanfairfechan (which is a > "sanctuaire a repit" with unclear Marian associations). > Cheers, > Jim > > Madeleine Gray wrote: > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > I think I may have another for Jim and Graham. The will of the great > > Sir Rhys ap Thomas of Dinefwr (d 1525) lists bequests of plate, > > vestments etc to a number of churches in south-west Wales + a vestment > > to "Our Lady of Llanllwch". Llanllwch is a church on the outskirts of > > Carmarthen. I thought at first it was just that the church was > > dedicated to the BVM but > > (a) Wade-Evans's Parochiale Wallicanum gives the dedication as one St > > Llwch (dodgy, I know as it literally means 'St Dust', but Wade-Evans > > says he's come across the name elsewhere) and > > (b) in all the other bequests of vestments etc the will says > > specifically 'to our Lady /church/ of ...' > > So could this be another cult statue? > > > > Maddy > > > > Dr Madeleine Gray > > Reader in History > > School of Education/Ysgol Addysg > > University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd > > Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, > > Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 > > > > 'We are not bound to win but we are bound to be true' (Barack Obama) > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > > to: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a > > message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the > > message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to > > contact the list's owners, write to: > > [log in to unmask] > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further > > information, visit our web site: > > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a > message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the > message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to > contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further > information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html