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The original guidance was even sillier : usage will not be included if is 'as part of full-time work, formal education or formal volunteering'. The 1st one penalises Leeds & other core cities who run well used Business and Patents sections & support economic development for all sizes of business - money & resources are used for this at the expense of spare/leisure time usage & is legitimate usage of libraries. It is also strange that people who work part-time visiting libraries as part of their work are to be included.

Similarly the formal education clause penalises Cities such as Leeds which have large student populations whereby use of public libraries supplements educational provision. If this survey was of all age groups (& not as already excluding about 20% of the population - those under 16) then excluding school class visits would seem reasonable as the child is not exercising choice to use libraries but this exclusion seems unreasonable to me.

Lionel Aldridge
Performance Manager
Leeds Library and Information Services
0113 395 2350

Reading The Uncrowned King by Rowena Cory Daniells - the 2nd in a series which is proving well plotted & fast moving.

From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mick Fortune
Sent: 25 August 2010 14:08
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Subject: Re: Libraries making the news again!

Hi Gary

It's all about "sector engagement" - i.e how individuals interact with cultural, media and sporting activities. In the handful of questions selected to determine public use of libraries it states that the interviewer should point out that use of the library for paid work or study should be excluded.

So what matters is, I guess, which set of figures do those people mentioned by Roy earlier today believe - their library's, or the DCMS'? Given that only visits to a physical public library building for purposes other than research, work or study appear to be being counted - and that only 6000+ responses may be responsible for causing 600-1000 branches to close (Tim Coates), it would seem rather a weak case to argue. The prominence that media and government have given it suggest that there may be other agendas in play here.

So I'm not sure it matters much what the REAL number of visits are - or how they are counted - if the DCMS report is considered authorative then that's the one we have to deal with isn't it?

Mick

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From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gary Green
Sent: 25 August 2010 13:11
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Subject: Re: Libraries making the news again!

I wonder why use for work/study visits was excluded? It seems odd. Is it just a survey for recreational use?

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Date: 25/08/2010 12:42PM
Subject: Re: Libraries making the news again!

Yes, I've been puzzling over the rather sketchy spreadsheet that I
downloaded from the DCMS website for the last hour. The number of
respondents seems very low at only 6097 this year, compared to 14K in 2009
and c 25K in previous years.

Also numbers for the under 65s seem to be holding up quite well, perhaps the
over 65s are becoming lazy and having their books sent to them?

I note that in previous years respondents were asked if they had visited
"any kind of library e.g. a mobile library" but not this year for some
reason.

There is also a footnote stating that anyone using the library for work or
study has been excluded ...

Most surprising of all is the revelation that it's women who have stopped
using the library. Men still make fewer visits than women but in the same
numbers as in previous years.

Maybe I have the wrong figures?

Mick

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From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Brown, Alan
Sent: 25 August 2010 12:19
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Subject: FW: Libraries making the news again!

Sadly on the radio 4 bit I listened to no-one argued against the rather
stark figure that library visitors had dropped 25%. This is nearly true when
you look at the drop in respondents to the survey of people saying that they
are regular users of the library. But it is nowhere near true if you look at
visitor counts in libraries (certainly does not match up with our figures).
Nationally I think only the 2009 actuals are available and the drop is from
342,168,000 2005/06 to 324,991,000
2008/09 a drop of 5%. Or put in another light we are still getting over
5 visits for every single member of the UK population.

Alan

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From: Philip Wark [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 24 August 2010 16:36
Subject: Re: Libraries making the news again!

I have to say I found the item on BBC One TV this morning very
disappointing. The BBC introduced the item with a very negative slant.
"The number of people visiting their local library in the last year has
dropped to 50% of the population" - which other public service has 50%
of the population making use of its services? This is a footfall which
many services, both public and private, would die for. The person from
the Ideas Store unfortunately didn't argue the case for libraries very
well - there was nothing about libraries and literacy, children's
reading challenge during the summer to support the reading gap left by
school holidays, libraries and the provision of accurate and current
information, libraries changing people's lives through exposure to new
ideas etc etc.

Good to have this level of exposure though!

Philip Wark

Principal Librarian

Midlothian Council - Education and Children's Services

Library HQ

2 Clerk Street

Loanhead

Midlothian EH20 9DR

tel: 0131 271 3971

fax: 0131 440 4635

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From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
Sent: 24 August 2010 16:19
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Subject: Libraries making the news again!

Libraries, threatened closures and the results of the recent DCMS Taking
Part survey were discussed on BBC ONE TV Breakfast, Radio 4 Today and
Radio 5 this morning. Furthermore some local BBC radio programmes have
later featured libraries.

.

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7QR, UK
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