The basic business ideal is never let the seller be also the buyer! My
overseas colleagues were appalled when I told them we were naive enough to
let our suppliers chose our stock. In many countries the equivalent of MLA
does selection and then libraries buy from them, this of course means that
the MLA equivalent gets big discounts, But they also source small
suppliers.
When the public hear that we pass on the responsibility of purchase to our
suppliers however well we write our specs it still looks like we are
relinquishing our core activity
Laura
The original idea of getting bigger discounts was to get more books not
spend less money
One of the reasons the book fund is a smaller proportion of total spend is
not that it has decreased but other charges have risen much faster. Check
out how much of your budget is internal recharges. Often its almost 40%
thats for HR H&S insurance Chief Execs wage etc.And when faced with cuts you
can never reduce this part of your budget !
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Alyson Hogarth <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Supplier selection and consortia buying might save money but doesn't it
> tend
> to result in shelves being filled with only the most popular titles?
> No it doesn't!!! First of all a wise stock manager will not hand
> over all her bookfund to her supplier but keep some back for reader
> requests, retrospective purchasing (stock gaps) reviewed material, prizes,
> local authors etc etc etc
> Secondly, it's down to how we the libarians instruct our suppliers
> to select for us. A good spec will let the supplier know what sort of
> authority with what sorts of libraries and what sorts of borrowers eg large
> library in affluent middle class suburb or smaller less well-used urban
> housing estate and all permutations around and about. The same spec can and
> should be used by the librarians selecting in house.
> Several years ago NAG produced a Supply Specification Guideline
> document - still freely available on the NAG website
> http://www.nag.org.uk/publications/SupplySpecificationPublication.php
>
> This year at our conference Maggie Sumner who wrote that document
> and I will be leading a workshop to start the process of updating this
> document. (Still places available)
>
> Obviously savings can be made by making the supply chain as efficient as
> possible and supplier selection and EDI are two important factors. what
> worries me most - and this is political and economic - is that figures are
> bandied about regarding costs which have no known basis. Has anyone really
> costed out what it costs to put a book on a library shelf. What do you
> include in the calculation? Wages of the lady (usually) who jacketed it at
> the supplier, wages of librarian at either supplier or library who selected
> it? What about diesel in the wagon that brought it, truck drivers wages?
> See what I mean?
>
> Much was made in Better Stock Better Libraries of the saving that can be
> made through consortia (usually just better discounts because more money in
> a single contract) and because the costs of the library services of going
> out to tender are reduced by paying the lead authority to do it. The
> weakness of that document was that it did not have hard facts to back up the
> figures it was using. The political bit of course is that Finance Officers'
> eyes lit up at the thought, and the worry that having already got efficient
> we would be asked to do even more.
> Which is cuts. Oh yes, cuts!
>
> Unfortunately journalists don't tend to think like that so we get figures
> of unknown origin bandied about and people believing them.
>
> If anyone does have a calculation they use I would love to see it, and to
> know what you included to arrive at it.
>
> Finally -as one of my colleagues asked this morning, what's the relevance
> of how much it costs to put a book on a library shelf. Of course it's going
> to cost more because we want jackets, barcodes, RFID tags, MARC data. But
> we're not bookshops and we're not out to/able to make a profit.
> Bookshop/library - not really comparable.
>
> Alyson Hogarth
> Stock Manager
> Middlesbrough Libraries and Information
> 01642 729420
>
>
>
>
>
> *Mick Fortune <[log in to unmask]>*
> Sent by: "lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries" <[log in to unmask]>
>
> 24/08/2010 13:57
> Please respond to
> Mick Fortune <[log in to unmask]>
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>
>
> Supplier selection and consortia buying might save money but doesn't it
> tend
> to result in shelves being filled with only the most popular titles?
>
> I learned two things from my time at Nielsen.
>
> - It's easy to get a list of the most popular titles and just buy those.
> That's what many bookshops have done and now libraries want to do the same.
> You'll get more for your money too, since the best sellers are more often
> discounted. However by doing so you're competing head on with Amazon and
> Tesco since you will no longer stock the range that used to make visiting
> the library such an enjoyable experience.
>
> - The need to trade electronically (to increase efficiencies and save
> money)
> has seen the major bookshop chain(s) steadily reduce the number of
> publishers they buy from. Anyone who didn't support EDI tended to be
> crossed
> off of the supplier list. This reduces the choice of books that are
> available for libraries to buy as well.
>
> There also seems to be a widely held belief that the lessons of the book
> supply chain can be applied to libraries and that huge savings will accrue
> as a result. My own current passion, RFID, is often cited as being key to
> applying these lessons. Having run a major library systems house (in its
> better days) and Nielsen Booknet (for both libraries and publishing) and
> now
> working on standards for RFID I think I can say with some confidence that
> this simply isn't likely.
>
> The future of library services is a political issue, not a cultural one.
> Earlier in the year I was at a presentation where a major system vendor
> told
> the audience that they would soon have to stop being librarians and start
> learning how to become delivery agents for local authority services. The
> fact that such a scenario would suit the supplier in question very nicely
> thank you, wasn't challenged by any of the librarians in the room. It seems
> libraries have been at the bottom of most local authority's priority lists
> for so long that most of them are just grateful to have a role.
>
> I think we need to be clear about what we think that role should be.
>
> Mick
>
> Mick Fortune
> m. +44 (0)7786 625544
>
> Can you afford NOT to attend this year's RFID conference?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Laura Swaffield
> Sent: 24 August 2010 13:03
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: The Independent -- Terence Blacker: Hands off our public
> libraries
>
> What always puzzles me is that books (some of them anyway) have got cheaper
> and public libraries (quite a few of them anyway) have got much more
> efficient at book buying, via supplier selection, consortium purchasing
> etc.
> So you would expect less to be spent on books.
> Nobody ever tries to quantify the effect of all this.
> Laura Swaffield
> CILIP Update
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