We too found
ourselves with no testing facility and no prior warning for the very same
reason, an only just overdue invoice for very little. We had to keep all the
students waiting a further 45mins while we obtained promises of payment from
our Finance Dept. It is a shame they have the monopoly on these exams. I’m
sure there wouldn’t be quite so much red tape if there were competitiors.
Lorraine Wood
Assessment
& Accreditation Officer
Carshalton
College
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Matthew Fletcher
Sent: 05 August 2010 16:32
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Subject: Re: Construction Health & Safety Tests
Also, City & Guilds GOLA exams are wholly acceptable to
CSkills for their Diplomas, including the health & safety units, but not
for their CSCS card.
I deal with Prometric for their IIBT and for the usual IT
professionals exams and they are a total pain. They have onerous admin and
security rules, their software will not sit happily with other systems, needs a
server all to itself and to cap it all I have to take an exam every year just
to have the privilege of ploughing through their over the top systems each time
we run a test.
I think the point where public sector exams work meets private
sector providers is always going to be difficult. I understand why Prometric
systems are so security conscious as they are designed to deliver exams through
private testing facilities. However, there is no concession made to the high
levels of data and candidate security we run as FE Colleges. There just seems
to be automatic mistrust and it is disappointing that UK based awarding bodies
decide on the cheap option of buying in online testing systems designed for a
totally different market and then leave the Colleges to manage the mess.
On another point I’m sick of getting lawyers letters from
CSkills and having our online facility shut down for slightly late, low value
invoices. I believe this CSkills systems have improved but a lot of it is
veneer when it comes to handling customers who spend hundreds of thousands each
year.
Rant over, back to results inputting ;-)
Regards
Matthew
Fletcher
Examinations
Manager
College of
North West London
Willesden
Centre
Dudden Hill
Lane
London
NW10 2XD
Tel: 020 8208
5083
Fax: 020 8208
5151
email:
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jones, Nicola
Sent: 05 August 2010 16:05
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Subject: Re: Construction Health & Safety Tests
Couldn’t have put
it better myself. Do they think we run “mickey mouse” exams for other awarding
bodies?
Nicola
Jones
Senior Officer Assessments and
Achievements
Neath Port Talbot college
01639 648046
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Francis, Kevin
Sent: 05 August 2010 16:06
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Subject: Re: Construction Health & Safety Tests
Couldn’t agree more with the
lack of consideration from IIBT to centres in bringing this in….
Issues for us:
· The precedent that this is setting amongst awarding
bodies, not to accept the security arrangements of centres.
· Requirement to have webcam drivers installed on many
single PC’s around the college - as we use one of possibly fifteen rooms for
the tests.
· The increased overhead - in allowing invigilators
roughly 3 to 5mins per person for photo admin time to each session. Nearly ½
hour to 45 mins extra invigilation costs per session???? + The costs of having
camera’s for each site and a spare. For us possibly 6@£70.
· Unnecessary duplication of process through lack of
acknowledgement of centres who do already photograph learners as part of their
enrolment systems.
· Increased possibility of technical failure.
Is there enough feeling on
this matter to write a combined letter of complaint ?
Regards
Kevin Francis
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Sent: 05 August 2010 2:04 pm
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Subject: Re: Construction Health & Safety Tests
This is the info I
got from Daniel Cooper at Cskills:
“We are bringing the private
centre up to standard with the fixed public centres around the country. There
have been increasing numbers of fraud and we are now going to be taking an
image of the candidates before they take the test so we can confirm that it is
the same person who then applies for the card.
You’ll only need
the one web-cam. The image capture is a separate process. What should happen is
that they will sit down in front of the machine with the web-cam enter there
login’s for the photo to be allocated against and have there photo taken. They
would then go to there testing machine and login as they do know to take there
test. This way all your candidates have there photos taken before they start
there test.”
Janice Tweed
Examinations
Manager
West Suffolk
College
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rich, Sue
Sent: 05 August 2010 12:05
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Subject: Re: Construction Health & Safety Tests
Hi
We have been
running these tests for the last couple of years. The annual £500 fee was
one thing but the cameras seems totally over the top – particularly as we are a
College and don’t take external candidates. They are also asking for 2mb
quality cameras which are about £70 for the cheapest ones! We only use
1.3mb for our College ID cards and they are much cheaper and perfectly
good.
I am still trying
to get hold of Chris Little again to see if they will at least allow lesser
spec cameras. It might help if other centres try to put pressure on too to see
if anything can be done.
Sue Rich
Information
Services Manager
Bedford College
01234 239360
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Janice Tweed
Sent: 05 August 2010 10:26
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Construction Health & Safety Tests
Hello
Is anybody renewing their
contract to run the IIBT Health & Safety online tests on site? We’ve
been running these for our students since 2006 with few problems but with the
new contract not only are Construction Skills asking for a £500 annual fee but
we have to have webcams so they can take a photo of candidates before they take
the test!
Our teaching staff are
insisting we renew the contract – I just wondered if any of you are renewing.
Janice
Tweed
Examinations
Manager
West
Suffolk College
01284 716350
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