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Is there a fear of loosing momentum if the decision is delayed? Michael Göpfert, [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]> Skype: Michael.g1947 Work 44-151-7246872 ________________________________ From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Harris Carl (RQ3) BCH [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 12 August 2010 11:35 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] British Psychological Society Section Hello All There are a number of issues to be taken into account in this process. Not least the level of participation amongst list members in the discussion of this process. I can see how having to come to a decision now, without a wider participation in the process, already pushes us into a way of responding. Making a decision now also moves us towards an inaugural meeting in September, which again might reduce the possible participation in such a meeting (its not a lot of notice). There are streams of thinking and streams of acting (not that these can be separated so clearly, viz praxis) in our network. We have yet to establish the way in which we should embed our shared values in practice. The BPS section issue has moved on a long way since we took the decision to try and set it up. This was decided in a fairly democratic way at a conference. Can we take the fees decision as another step along the road to BPS section-hood (and just do it, with the proviso that it can be revised) or should we say that the value of inclusion takes precedence for the network and that it is this which should guide us at this point? Ie, we need to think about how we, as a network/discussion list, decide on issues like this (does this already elevate the network/discussion list as a higher order organization, relative to the section?). Thanks for your email, Wendy. I had been about to send one that said “go for the £10 option”. Cheers Carl From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wendy Franks Sent: 12 August 2010 11:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] British Psychological Society Section Hello again, End of the week is tomorrow. I wondered how often the Board of Trustees meets, and whether we would rather wait for the next meeting, rather than being pushed into the timeframe that suits the BPS when we may not feel we have a decision that makes sense for us. Would that mean we can't do the inaugural meeting in September? If so, maybe we don't call that the inaugural meeting, then, and have a meeting to discuss things like fees and inaugural meetings and such. I think this is just the beginning of the section having to tow various lines, small though they may appear to be at first... and personally, I'm still not sure about the potential impact on us as a network of getting drawn into a bureaucracy like this. One important issue for me is still consensus. Thus far, as a network, we have not needed to reach consensus, and I have considered difference of perspective and resulting debate to be a valuable resource for us (at times, though it can also seem to get destructive at other times). I am also interested in the very small number of people who appear to be interested/able/willing to get engaged in the discussion about the section. As someone who was/is very ambivalent about the whole BPS section idea, I'm not sure what the silence suggests about other views from the network, and about the network itself. Any thoughts? Wendy ________________________________ From: Sally Zlotowitz <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, 11 August, 2010 23:15:41 Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] British Psychological Society Section Hellos, As one of the BPS go-betweens, I have been warned that we need membership fees proposed by the end of this week in time for the Board of Trustees meeting. So we have to make a decision - which of course can be changed later. I asked what the lowest possible fee could be (including none) and she suggested £10 and £5 concessions because as yet we have not had a year of activity to assess the required budget. Apparently there is a small amount of money given by the BPS for the start up i.e. a few hundred pounds but this is swallowed up easily. I agree of course with everyone re minimising exclusion and wanting to provide something worthy of charging money - and not least David's point that they seem so keen to establish this fee issue first! And then I became more angry when I recently received the opportunity to open an MBNA BPS credit card.. but that's a whole other rant! So I have established that the lowest fee charged by all the sections is that of the Maths, Stats & Computing Psychology section who charge £4 to join and free for students. Should we try and see if we can get the same as a starting point? If people agree I will email that proposed fee to them. It will affect our budget though of course. I am very keen for another independent co-operative to be running alongside/above the BPS section as Elaine suggested so long as it all doesn't become too bulky to organise/understand. The BPS also want a couple of paragraphs to send out to the section supporters to encourage them to join and to come to the inaugural meeting. Anyone keen to do that? 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