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Yes, agree completely. But Oulipo existed within a free milieu of like- minded individuals and equals - notions of revolutionary novelty and fun lay behind their creative impulse, no matter if that impulse was literary, scientific, mathematical or political. That is a far far thing from the stale institutional conformity that characterises many current milieus of artistic creativity CONFORM CONFORM - PLEASE YOUR TUTOR - CONFORM CONFORM - GET THE GRADES - CONFORM CONFORM - IT'S COOL. Cheers Tim On 29 Aug 2010, at 04:09, Jim Andrews wrote: > The Oulipo, which started in 1960, quite openly is not so much about > creating poemy texts as creating interesting "constraints" or > "rules" of generation or 'formal axioms' or whatnot from which texts > may arise or be generated. > > Why should poemy poems be utterly primary in the notion of poetry? > Try that for thirty years and see if yer still awake. There's more > happening in language and art than that approach. > > ja > http://vispo.com