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Sorry, I was thinking about conference press releases. Of course, if there's a paper, the reporter should see it too. Mary -----Original Message----- From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alexander Hellemans Sent: lundi 26 juillet 2010 11:37 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] The most massive star ever detected is not a specially giant star Not only that, but you have look at the paper itself. Often there is an introduction to the research that is more enlightening than the press release, and you are sure that a paper reporting this research really exists. I once did a story on a discovery, based on a press release, and found out, talking to another scientist, that he had a paper submitted for publication about exactly the same finding. So on what is priority based, on a press release or on a completed paper? Alexander Hellemans On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:17 +0200, "Mary" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > That's why it's really important that the reporter reads the abstract > and/or > talks to the scientist as well > > Mary > > Mary Rice > > > -----Original Message----- > From: psci-com: on public engagement with science > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Stokes > Sent: lundi 26 juillet 2010 11:14 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] The most massive star ever detected is not a > specially giant star > > I'm glad someone has pointed this out. Arguing that all media releases > must > be signed off by the scientist(s) behind the story is nice and simple and > may work most times, but it is not a silver bullet. Caveat scriptor. > > ________________________________ > > From: dianne stilwell > > [...] There's been many a time I've had a release for final checking and > have asked "so what does that mean?' to be told that the scientist > insisted > on that particular phrase - and that the writer didn't really understand > it > - but had included it for the sake of a quiet life/get the thing written > etc. At that point you can: > > - leave it - and risk the sorts of misunderstandings that sparked the > present correspondence > - re-write with more explanation - leaving in the phrase to satisfy the > scientist and making it a bit long and wordy - but hopefully more > understandable > - insist on a rewrite, removing the complex phrase and with the manager > perhaps going head to head with the scientist > > The options chosen will obviously vary from place to place and person to > person - and a lot will depend on the authority and standing of the comms > team within an organisation. If their status is lowly and they are just > seen > as press release machines (and it sounds as if Alison has had a > particularly > bad experience) then there's not much chance that an individual release > can > be changed - the problems goes deeper and is far more a management issue. > > Dianne > > ********************************************************************** > 1. To suspend yourself from the list, whilst on leave, for example, > send an email to mailto:[log in to unmask] with the following > message: > > set psci-com nomail -- [include hyphens] > > 2. To resume email from the list, send an email to > [log in to unmask] > with the message: > > set psci-com mail -- [include hyphens] > > 3. To leave psci-com, send an email to [log in to unmask] with the > message: > > leave psci-com -- [include hyphens] > > 4. 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