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I think we should stop the comparisons as the nurses will just get more angry and/or upset and the Drs will continue to try to justify their salaries. Since days of old nurses have always been paid less, doesn't make it right but if we started actually asking for more money rather than being happy to take lesser paid jobs maybe things would change? I think we just need to agree that we are both professionals and our salaries are not and never will be either reflective of what we do or comparable. Coming from a largely legal family no, on the whole they do not deserve what they get paid regardless of lighting & accommodation charges but that doesn't mean we have to resort to moaning, life is not fair. My brother-in law is a Barrister and partner in a major legal firm only sees his 2 young daughters a couple of evenings a week so yes from my perspective he is paid what I would describe as a lottery win but there are always trade offs! Have a good weekend one & all Regards Amanda Savage BSc(Hons);SpPrac OH; RGN; DON; NEBOSH Specialist Practitioner Occupational Health West Midlands Fire service [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Tel: 0121 380 7441 Mob: 07770863052 P Please protect the environment - think before you print. Unless expressly stated otherwise, the information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the named recipients. Any unauthorised disclosure of the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received it in error please return it immediatley to me [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> and then destroy it. The information contained in this e-mail may be subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 unless the information is legally exempt from disclosure -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: 30 July 2010 12:20 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Salaries and Jobs Well, there are huge differences in costs, as have already been hinted at. A solicitor has to cover the costs of running and maintaining the business premises, secretarial and reception staffing, phone & utilities bills ( how much was your home gas bill last year!), council tax at business rates , and the professional indemnity insurance for a solicitor is even higher than mine. As an employer, they also have to pay the employer's wedge of pension contributions - I think it's about 6% of gross earnings of each employee, at present. I don't feel that solicitors are underpaid, but their fees have to include all the costs that employees don't have to think about, and GPs ( who are self-employed too) have similar pressures. My professional indemnity cover is £ 4000 - 5000 per annum I think, so I have to pay that too before I see a penny of my income. Do you still want to compare your gross pay with mine? Friday funny, below Alan [cid:image001.gif@01CB2FE2.AF996090] Last night, my kids and I were sitting in the living room and I said to them, 'I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and fluids from a bottle. If that ever happens, just pull the plug.' They got up, unplugged the Computer, and threw out my gin. The little b*st*rds. That was the point I was trying to make. Why should a solicitor be able to charge upwards of £100 per hour and a highly trained, experienced occupational health practitioner be expected to work for £30-50? Is it a question of the perception of the occupational health practitioner being "just a nurse"? (Yes, I heard that only the other day!) My argument is that perhaps we need to raise the awareness of the value of the OH practitioner in people's minds so that they are paid what I believe they are really worth. Note that I am not an OH practitioner, but one who values what they do and feels sad that others do not share my view. Chris ******************************** Please remove this footer before replying. OCC-HEALTH ARCHIVES: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html CONFERENCES AND STUDY DAYS: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH ________________________________ West Midlands Fire Service Unless expressly stated otherwise, the information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the named recipients. You must not copy, distribute, or take any action or reliance upon it. 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