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Yes I did mean Stannary. Thanks for the correction. The suffixes ery and ary mean the same thing I suspect. > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:02:55 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Mendip Calamineries > To: [log in to unmask] > > Roger > > Did you mean Stannary? > > Phil > > Roger Hutchins wrote: > > On the subject of "Calaminery". Was the word meant to be "Cala-minery" or "Calamine-ery" > > > > I suggest that the suffix "ery" was attached to calamine as in "Stannery" "Fishery" "Bakery" "Colliery" etc. > > The Suffix "ery" can denote occupation, place or establishment or things collectively. > > > >> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:23:14 +0100 > >> From: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Mendip Calamineries > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> > >> Peter's response to my examples of the use of 'minery':- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> To my mind there are two forms there - 'minery' in the geographical sense, > >>> referring to a mining field or liberty and encompassing all the processes > >>> carried out there (as on Mendip), and the other as a skill, as in having a > >>> knowledge of 'minery'. I suspect it was very much a term of its time - the > >>> 17th/18th centuries. > >>> > >> > >> prompted me to revisit Gough and, on the basis of a rapid skim through, I > >> found the following on the subject of mineries:- > >> > >> > >> > >> p.72 Example of laws from Queen Mary's reign - 'The oulde Auncyent > >> Custum of the occupasyon of the mynerys in and upon the Quyns majestys > >> forest of Mendyp wythyn her gracys countye of Somerset being one of the iiij > >> stapulls of Ynglon which hath bene exersysd and contynuyd thrugh the seyd > >> forest from the tyme whereof man hath noo memory as here after doth > >> pertyculerly doth Apere'. > >> > >> > >> > >> p.74 Now the first recorded meeting of the Minery Court of Chewton took > >> place on 10 July 1554, and it was then stated that before that time the > >> workmen in the mines had 'claimed Customes to and for their Occupation . > >> amongst themselves to be observed and kept'. > >> > >> > >> > >> p.89 To each of the four lordships there belonged a 'minery', where the > >> 'buddles', or washing places, and smelting-furnaces and storehouses were, > >> and where the lead-reeves performed many of their functions; the minery was > >> in fact, the head-quarters in each district, and thither the miners, having > >> obtained their ore from the pits all over the hills, brought it for making > >> into lead, weighing, payment of 'lot-lead', and so on. > >> > >> > >> > >> The first two quotes cover the codification of long established, but > >> unwritten, mining laws, under Queen Mary (1553-1558). Like similar laws > >> elsewhere, they set out the process for getting permission to mine and cover > >> relationships between miners, and miners and the mineral lord(s). The > >> Mendip laws also allow "that any workman hath landyd Any wore [ore] he maye > >> carre hyt to weshing and blowing [smelting] to what myndry [minery] he > >> semyth best for hys proffyt and commodyte so that he doo paye the tenth of > >> that in lede or wore to the lord of the soyll where hyt was dygyd etc". > >> > >> > >> > >> The last quote (p.89), Gough's attempt to sum the situation up, seems to > >> rely on this freedom to move ore between mineries for dressing and smelting. > >> Peter now seems to accept that, as I proposed in my first response, "Perhaps > >> Gough drew his definition too tightly" and the consequent error of his own > >> statement "As you will know - the 'minery' on Mendip was a lead ore > >> processing area.", accepting instead that it refers to the area being mined > >> (including provision for dressing and smelting). He goes on to suggest that > >> minery's other meaning is "of its time", which is harder to prove one way or > >> the other. Nevertheless, there are other examples of a word having similar > >> dual uses, e.g. surgery (a place) - where surgery (the skill) is practised. > >> > >> > >> > >> I would suggest that to equate minery with liberty is also wrong and that it > >> was more tightly related to the area actually being mined, as opposed to a > >> wider area over which the rights to the minerals (if any) are owned. The > >> old map used by Gough has symbolic representation of the four mineries, and > >> whilst not strictly accurate, it is adequate enough to suggest that they > >> differ from the liberties. > >> > >> > >> > >> Mike > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now