Hi Chris
 
I'm perfectly happy with that approach (we're considering moving withdrawn catalogue records in our LMS to an archive store rather than simply deleting them, for many of the same reasons; and we've already had to change the way we batch update / replace catalogue records in our LMS in order to ensure the persistence of the LCN value which Aspire itself leverages...).
 
The goal is not broken URLs, but the ability to manage the hierarchy in a way which prevents the profileration of redundant and misleading nodes over time - archiving combined with intelligent redirect options sound good to me.
 
Regards
 
Richard Cross
Resource Discovery and Innovation Manager
Libraries and Learning Resources
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Nottingham Trent University
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From: Talis Aspire Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Clarke
Sent: 30 July 2010 15:53
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Subject: Re: [LIS-TALIS-ASPIRE] Talis Aspire release, 30th July 2010

Hi Richard,

Yes we are considering this - the major point is whether or not they should be archived (and as such not reachable by normal searching or browsing) or deleted and removed for ever. These thoughts apply to nodes and to lists.

We're erring to the archiving route because there may be students who were enrolled on a course three years back who could go and review an archived version of their list.

Also, in the words of Tim Burness Lee, "A cool URI is one which does not change" (or disappear) [1]. If we just delete things we risk creating broken links from systems and pages that link to us. If we archive, we can tell people these pages are no longer valid and where to go for a more up-to-date experience.

I'm not sure whether I agree with Tim's geek chic terminology, but I agree with the sentiment.

Chris

[1] http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI

On 30 Jul 2010, at 15:36, Cross, Richard wrote:

Hi Chris
 
A couple of very quick questions about this function.
 
I appreciate that it's not present in this iteration, but can you clarify if you're considering adding the ability for Node Editors to be able to remove nodes in the hierarchy as well as add them? As any node may have child nodes there would need to be some additional validation steps, to ensure no orphan node branches could be created, but the ability to remove nodes would be an extremely useful one for sites wanting to resynch their VLE and Aspire environments (as colleges merge, courses combine, departments disaggregate, and so on).
 
Also, I'm wondering how that might fit with plans around the ability to remove/delete/suppress individual Lists being raised in various Ideas Portal ideas.
 
Regards
 
Richard Cross
Resource Discovery and Innovation Manager
Libraries and Learning Resources
Hollymount House
Nottingham Trent University
Nottingham NG1 4BU
t: +44(0)115 848 4878
m: 07789 983916
 

From: Talis Aspire Users [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Clarke
Sent: 30 July 2010 10:04
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Subject: [LIS-TALIS-ASPIRE] Talis Aspire release, 30th July 2010

Hi everyone,

We released a new version of Talis Aspire today. New features are mainly around helping users manage the hierarchy themselves, rather than having to contact Talis Support. The features are as follows:

* Edit current node - users with the node administrator permission can now edit the title and description of a current node
* Create new node here - from an existing node, users with the node administrator permission can now create a new child node, choosing type, code, title and description

We will no longer be accepting requests via the Talis Support helpdesk to perform these activities on the customer's behalf.

In addition, we also added some features that make navigating the hierarchy easier:

* On the node screen, allow the user to navigate to the parent node
* On the node screen, format child nodes in a sortable table

Thanks and any questions on this release, please let me know.

Chris

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