I’ve been following the thread about WiLL and other union
catalogue activity with interest. Comments and questions from Ken and others
in the group about WorldCat.org and WorldCat Local are ones that we’d
certainly like to address further. We are working with a number of public
libraries to surface their collections via WorldCat.org, an additional benefit we
have been able to offer because of libraries’ participation in and
contribution to UnityUK (the national network for resource sharing). And last
year at PLA, we announced our collaboration with SWRLS to offer WorldCat Local
as a shared discovery tool, as Lynn has also mentioned.
If there is interest in finding out more about the requirements
for joining these services, I would be happy to set up a webinar, so that we
can provide a little more insight. Please send me an email and we’ll
get back to you shortly with a date and time for a web presentation.
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From: lis-pub-libs: UK
Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lynn
Osborne
Sent: 12 July 2010 11:12
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Subject: Re: WILL - 'LondonLibraries'
In the South West we had WISDOM, a similar system to WILL, but the
need to purchase a z39.50 server was a barrier to encouraging everyone to join,
especially for small unitaries. In 2008 we realised that the aim of producing a
regional catalogue was not going to be met and started to look for an
alternative way forward.
As most SWRLS (South Western Regional Library Service) members were
UnityUK users, their holdings were already loaded onto WorldCat and for the
annual cost of £550 would be exposed in a WorldCat search, so it was decided
that WorldCat was the way forward, but as Gary points out, it only lists
holdings and not live records.
As a result, SWRLS are now working in partnership with OCLC to set
up a WorldCat Local consortium. This will allow searches to be conducted which
display findings and locations either in individual authority holdings, across
the region or locations in the whole of WorldCat.
To assist the process, SWRLS is funding the implementation costs on
behalf of its members and we are currently in the testing phase with 2 pilot
sites that have different LMS suppliers, which will ensure the various LMS in
place can operate successfully. Most of the 17 SW authorities are committed to joining
and we aim to add them onto the WorldCat Local platform within 5 years.
The system has the advantage of being web based, so can take
advantage of any online updates and does not require any special hardware.
If anyone would like further details please contact me off list and
I will be happy to discuss.
Lynn Osborne
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From: lis-pub-libs: UK
Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ken
Chad
Sent: 09 July 2010 15:49
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: WILL - 'LondonLibraries'
There *is* a live link..though it’s true you have
to click from Google Books, to OCLC to local OPAC (to get live holdings).
WiLL (like CAIRNS in Scotland I believe) was based on z39.50 so
it was a ‘distributed architecture’ system (as far as library
catalogue data was concerned) with ‘dynamic’ (real time) link to
the local OPAC. Sounds good but the reality is it is slow and often a server
would not respond. If Google relied on that approach we’d wait forever
for a response. Hence the value of indexing *aggregated* data. This is
how the new generation of library ‘Vertical search’
applications (‘Discovery services’) work..
Aggregating data has useful spin offs too—much more
effective recommender services for example
The National Library of Sweden, CERN and several other
libraries are putting their data out as ‘open data’ –indeed
Europe (alas not the UK) seems to be taking a lead....What are the barriers
stopping UK public libraries doing the same?
Ken
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From: lis-pub-libs: UK
Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gary
Green
Sent: 09 July 2010 15:17
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: WILL - 'LondonLibraries'
Is Copac a similar
option?
Am
I right in thinking that both Worldcat and Copac don't display live
holdings? I like the goal that both of them are trying to achieve, but it would
be good if we had a national catalogue system that displayed the live holdings
of library, rather than an uploaded set of holdings. Didn't WILL do this on a
smaller scale?
I
agree with you comment about it being easier to achieve the goal of a
national catalogue if all catalogue data was released into the wild, or if
access to the data was made easier.
Gary
Green
Technical Librarian
Virtual Content Team
Surrey County Council
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From: "Ken Chad" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 09/07/2010 02:15PM
Subject: RE: WILL - 'LondonLibraries'
Maybe WiLL is already being replaced-in a way—with
something better? Many London libraries (and others) are already exposing their
catalogues to Google (typically via OCLC). Maybe we are already on the road to
a national catalogue?
The Google books + OCLC approach is not without its faults
of course but the ‘OPAC’ experience is better than almost all local
OPACS. (and the very creaky and dated WiLL). Google Books also offers a variety
of ways to get the book including ‘Find it in a library’. It
also has links to web resources and other stuff (varies with the title).
If I enter my postcode (or have it set automatically) I see details of
copies at my nearest libraries (courtesy of OCLC WorldCat).
It’s great to see libraries like Bromley, Havering Croydon, Herts
and Staffordshire (and others of course) linking their holdings. Those
libraries should be celebrated..they are doing a great job!
It would be great if other (all!) UK public libraries did
it...and it’s not clear to me why they don’t? Any thoughts???
Seems like a cheap and effective national catalogue approach?
Right now OCLC seems to be the most obvious way of doing it
..but there are potentially others. We don’t have to put all our eggs in
one basket. Maybe if all UK libraries output (and aggregated) catalogue
data and exposed them on the Government’s open data web site http://data.gov.uk/ (like library *usage*
data are already ) then some smart developers could ‘mash them up’
into maybe something(s) really useful (and even free or at least low cost)
I did some work with the Jisc MOSAIC project where library
bibliographic and usage data were made freely available (thanks to the splendid
Dave Pattern at Huddersfield University!) It was fascinating what people
did with the data (the project held a competition). The results were not
‘finished’ apps of course—they were put together in a few
weeks, but it was heartening to see the variety of interesting and potentially
very useful approaches. I think some are still available to try http://www.sero.co.uk/mosaic/091012-MOSAIC-Demonstration-Links.doc
Ken
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From: lis-pub-libs: UK
Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gary
Green
Sent: 09 July 2010 12:55
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: WILL - 'LondonLibraries'
That's a
shame and a bit strange, especially as it's a step towards a national unified
catalogue. If we are pushing for a national library service, having a national
catalogue would make sense.
It's
also a double shame, as comments on Ed Vaizey library speech on the Write
To Reply site (http://writetoreply.org/re-modelling-libraries-2010/) closed
yesterday. His speech promoted partnerships and IT in libraries.
You
might still be able to comment via the DCMS site. I'm not sure, but here's the
link.
Gary
Green
Technical Librarian
Virtual Content Team
Surrey County Council
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Fax. 01306-743240
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Date: 09/07/2010 12:26PM
Subject: WILL - 'LondonLibraries'
I
read with dismay that the 'What's in londons Libraries (WILL)' had been scrapped
due to budget cuts. This was an extremely useful web tool which allowed an
across London public libary catalogue search. The cutting of this resource
seems very strange when efforts are being made to foster co-operation between
London library authorities and to ultimately push towards consortium based
services. How much did it cost to administer WILL, I can't imagine it was more
than peanuts in the over all scheme of things?
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