Hi Kevin, Thanks for that - but it's worth mentioning that this is related only (in practice) to older versions of Windows using the LM/NTLM hash - it's a known issue that was addressed a good many years ago and in security best practice ever since (by switching off that backward LM/NTLM compatibility mostly). It is also a Microsoft thing - Macs are different and have their own vulnerabilities. It was essentially a hashing practice that rendered the hashed password vulnerable to brute force attack for passwords of less than 15 characters. That is just in case everybody is now rushing to implement 15+ character password policies which is definitely NOT necessary to have secure encryption of the password except in poorly patched or very old systems. Best wishes, Jon From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Giles, Kevin Sent: 09 July 2010 08:36 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [data-protection] P7 and password expiry/complexity If you look at the password thing properly you should have a minimum of 15 alpha-numeric-symbols. This is to defeat the Windows memory as it stores passwords as two files of seven characters thus making it accessible to anyone with a password ripping disk (I have several if anyone wants one!!). These disks allow anyone to access a PC/laptop/Mac and display every password and show what application it is attached to. This takes, on average, 15-20 minutes and allows instant access to anything that is password protected. Just thought I would drop that in.......... Kevin Giles Information Compliance Advisor The Glasgow Housing Association Ltd Tel: 0141 274 6723 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving messages please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] Full help Desk - please email [log in to unmask] describing your needs To receive these emails in HTML format send the command: SET data-protection HTML to [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^