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Dear Richard As indicated on the website, a wide range of organisations have been involved in the directories and I am sure that the team would be open to constructive and polite feedback. The "About Us" section includes an email address if you wish to get in touch with them: http://www.stemdirectories.org.uk/about_us/who_has_created_the_stem_dire ctories.cfm Best wishes Nicola Nicola Hannam Director, Education & Skills www.futuremorph.org <http://www.futuremorph.org> The Science Council | 32-36 Loman Street | London | SE1 0EH Tel: 020 7922 7889 | Email: [log in to unmask] <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\nicola\Application%20Data\Microso ft\Signatures\[log in to unmask]> Website: www.sciencecouncil.org <http://www.sciencecouncil.org/> | www.charteredscientist.org <http://www.charteredscientist.org> This email is intended only for the person(s) named as the recipient(s). The contents are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it. Any use by you of its content is prohibited. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Science Council. WARNING: Although the Science Council has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the Science Council cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ________________________________ From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard Ellam Sent: 24 June 2010 17:26 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] FW: [PSCI-COM] STEM directory evaluation HI Ian. Terri, and all Another point abut the STEM Directories which needs to be clarified is how decisions about the directories (like this latest idiocy about evaluation) are made. Whatever steering committee or junta is in charge of the STEM directories seems to be made up of people who live in various ivory towers and who have no real idea of what the people at the front line actually want. And there seems to be no way that the front line can really communicate with these mandarins. It also seems that the people in charge have no real idea about what they are doing or how to do it - hence the truly dreadful printed versions of the STEM directories which could serve as examples of how to make something as boring and unexciting as possible on any graphic design course! Its a shame that the STEM directories project seems to have been so messed up by having the wrong people with the wrong skills running it - if there had been more open communication with stakeholders at an early stage in the process then the mistakes might have been spotted and corrected instead of being endlessly perpetuated. In frustration at a good idea badly done Richard. Richard Ellam L M Interactive Science Shows and Hands-On Stuff [log in to unmask] On 24 Jun 2010, at 16:29, Ian B Dunne wrote: Good afternoon Terri, Thank you for your comment. I stand corrected on the nomenclature. However if you look at the following links http://www.stemdirectories.org.uk/about_us/why_have_the_stem_directories _been_created.cfm http://www.stemnet.org.uk/about_us/stemnet_programmes.cfm http://www.stemchallenges.net/about-stem-challenges/ http://www.stemclubs.net/about-stem-clubs/ or http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/teachingandlearning/subjects/science/scienc e_teaching_resources/ http://www.teachers.tv/subjects/secondary/science http://www.byteachers.org.uk/sites.htm#science http://www.show.me.uk/places/places.html http://www.showsforschools.co.uk/ http://www.schoolscience.co.uk/ http://www.sciencelive.net/ it is pretty clear how a woodlouse like me got confused in a forest of acronyms. Whenever I visit schools (around 100 times a year) I ask teachers how and where they find resources and presenters. I consistently get the same response for presenters - http://www.sciencelive.net/advanced-search.asp or Google. So my question remains. Why are significant resources out of the rapidly shrinking education budget being spent duplicating what is already working well? And how do we as presenters evaluate which of the myriad national websites will have the greatest impact in encouraging reluctant teachers to engage with science? I look forward to being convinced All the best Ian Do Science Ltd 37 Upper Brownhill Road, Southampton, SO16 5NG +44 (0) 23 8077 2341 [log in to unmask] www.doscience.co.uk <http://www.doscience.co.uk> This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the personal attention of the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, distribution, printing or copying of this e-mail is unauthorised. 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Cheers Terri Terri Telford Head of Communications and Public Affairs Main Tel: 020 3206 0450 Email: [log in to unmask] Website: www.stemnet.org.uk STEMNET, 2nd Floor, Weston House, 246 High Holborn, London WC1V 7EX Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics Network Registered in the UK No. 3236201 ; Registered as a Charity No. 1058056 This email message (and attachments) may contain information that is confidential to STEMNET and/or the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient you cannot use, distribute or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, please notify the sender by return email immediately and erase all copies of the message and attachments. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of STEMNET are neither given nor endorsed by it. STEMNET has made every effort to ensure that any attachments to this email have been swept for viruses. However, STEMNET cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of a virus and would advise the intended recipient to carry out a virus check before opening any attachment. From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ian B Dunne Sent: 23 June 2010 17:36 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [PSCI-COM] StemNet directory evaluation Hi There has been a bit of discussion on this forum and others of the StemNet directory wanting organisations to evaluate their programs or they will not be included on the directory at some time in the future. In these financially straightened times I was just wondering what evaluation StemNet does of itself, and, or, what would peoples' evaluation of StemNet directories be under the standard appraisal categories of value for money effectiveness quantifiable outcomes ? 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