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Hi Doug I'll think on that. It's good listening on your part although I was trying for awkwardness. I can hardly write to a NA ear! though I do steal from NA speech when it suits me. "Speak" can be used transitively; but whether I am right there or not is another matter; and you're right I am sure to trust your ear It's not necessarily the end of the series. Titles come and go to some extent; and I am not sure this one is needed. I think what it conveys is implicit. I say "not necessarily" because I have it in mind to reorganise everything - as I had done as I approached 30 poems! I'm wondering whether it may split into 2 sets. I have some poems to go yet (the last of the set is 57 as it stands now) and work through them one a day on a Monday to Friday basis! just because I use the college machine and have tended to stick to a 5 day week for a while Some time later in the summer I'll try ordering them - that'll be interesting. I felt I could hold the shape in my head when it was half this size. Now... L On Tue, June 22, 2010 17:54, Douglas Barbour wrote: > Okay, Lawrence, phew. > > > I dont think you need that 'anything' though; sounds funny to my NA > ears after 'speak.' > > Do you see this as a conclusion to the series? with its title etc? > > > Doug > On 22-Jun-10, at 3:28 AM, Lawrence Upton wrote: > > >> If I went on stage and tried to tell them >> what I think is the use of Poetry, they would not laugh, would not find >> that funny and they would not agree with my theses – although they might >> hear another word there. >> >> As do I. >> Think “shit”. I, too, am childish. >> Few could give a response more than “Get off”. >> They do not understand logical thought. >> They do not respect people who debate. >> Which is not to say that they are stupid. >> >> >> It is, though, better not to speak anything. >> Words do not last long in a mob before >> they turn back into grunts and pre-verbal experiments in threatening and >> fear. If they asked, I would say “Poetry’s fun”; >> >> >> but that’s because I enjoy being liked more than I want to make our >> lives worthwhile. It is my cowardice, not their bravery, >> which undermines attempts to be truthful and ensures that idiots are >> heard the most. > > Douglas Barbour > [log in to unmask] > > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ > > > Latest books: > Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 > Wednesdays' > http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10 > .html > > > because I want to die > > writing Haiku > > or, better, > > long lines, clean and syllabic as knotted bamboo. Yes! > > Phyllis Webb > > -- Bartender: You really think the world's gonna end? Ford: Yes. Bartender: Shouldn't we lie down? Put paper bags over our heads or something? Ford: If you like. Bartender: Would it help? Ford: Not at all. Lawrence Upton AHRC Creative Research Fellow Dept of Music Goldsmiths, University of London