Hi Chris
Apologies for the delayed reply - I've been in Aspire meetings all
day...
I'm happy to see a discussion on potential sources of such data if
others think that this is something worth exploring.
At present, LLR uses the Syndetics service for on-demand enhancement of
catalogue records; where TOC content is available for a Book the data is
good (though better for a single author rather than an edited title),
but the hit rate is somewhat patchy. Other Aspire customers may use
services like Blackwell TOC catalogue enrichment (callable through a
return z-look-up on the local catalogue?). Many 'next gen' library
search applications include a range of record augmentation services.
Worldcat has some nice TOC data; Google Books too :)
For other material formats (including, most obviously, DVD and CD) I
think it's worth considering optional record enhancement services more
generally.
Richard
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Hi Richard,
Which catalogue record enhancement services would you like to see
supported in this workflow?
Thanks,
Chris
On 22 Jun 2010, at 10:39, Cross, Richard wrote:
Hi Chris
A couple of quick points in response to both of your postings on
this.
I have posted the idea to the Ideas portal (and I understand why
you're keen to see this as the ubiquitous method for channelling all
enhancement requests). But as quite a few of my (what I think are quite
good) candidate ideas are languishing in deposit-losing obscurity in the
portal, I want to reserve the right to try to generate some
pre-publicity for some ideas on the e-hustings ahead of posting them to
the portal (and, of course, to have initial ideas improved through
discussion before being submitted).
On the specifics of this functionality, I'd be happy to see this
rethought in broader terms along the lines that you suggest. As one of
the intentions is to reduce the amount of manual Bookmark management
what about extending your outline further to include some additional
on-demand look-ups? Something along the lines of the following:
* List creator Bookmarks a Book in a catalogue source
* In a Boomark edit screen for the Book 'Select book chapter'
option is presented
* When this is selected, Aspire carries out an on-demand ISBN
driven look-up against a catalogue record enhancement service (or data
source) and returns a Table of Contents for the book
* An editing window lists the chapters, and allow tick-box
select of the required chapter
* On selecting a chaper, Talis add a chapter tab to the Bookmark
and reassigns the original Book data to a 'part' record
* Incomplete Chapter metadata can then be tidied up manually, as
required.
Regards
Richard Cross
Resource Discovery and Innovation Manager
Libraries and Learning Resources
Hollymount House
Nottingham Trent University
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the no less useful 'Has part...'
Hi Richard,
Been thinking some more on this over the weekend.
For usability, perhaps Aspire should determine whether or not
added "entity" to the bookmarked resource should be a "part of" or a
"has part"? I'm worried that the current method of adding parts is not
actually that intuitive and actually we're adding to the problem by
adding a "has part".
Perhaps instead Aspire should display a link next to the type
asking the user if they want to add a corresponding part. Aspire works
out what type of part the link should add, and whether or not is is a
child or parent part of the originally bookmarked item, according to the
following rules:
* Book - link text is "Add Chapter" - Aspire adds a new chapter
as a parent of the book
* Article - Add Journal - new journal is the child of the
article
* Journal - Add Article - new article is the parent of the
journal
See screenshot below.
Regards,
Chris
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On 18 Jun 2010, at 15:13, Chris Clarke wrote:
Hi Richard,
Sorry for taking so long to respond to your email.
In terms of our views on "Has part..." feature you
describe, this is exactly how we had already envisaged this working in
Aspire. Adding a Has part demotes the bookmarked item to the "part of".
As always, when it comes to implementation, it's a case of priorities -
it would really help to get this idea on Aspire Ideas and with others
voting on it...
On the Chapter display stuff, the new rules improve how
Chapter titles are displayed in the list outline view, and the item
detail view, along these lines:
* if chapter has specific title, use that as the display
label in these views
* if chapter has locator only, use display label:
"Chapter 2 of {book title}"
The story also added the ability to use the types
Chapter and Website (in addition to Webpage) when editing resources.
We also took the opportunity to remove the whitespace
after author list (but before the comma) on the list outline display:
Previously:
{display_title} {authorlist} , {published_date}
Now:
{display_title} {authorlist}, {published_date}
Thanks,
Chris
On 11 Jun 2010, at 17:59, Cross, Richard wrote:
I'm interested both in Talis's view of this
functionality and the workaround (if any) that other customer sites are
using...
A Liaison Librarian member of our Resource List
project group is finding the management of book chapters (and by
implication journal articles) through the Bookmarking tool vexing.
The scenario is this: a List Publisher wants to
add an entry for a book chapter for a print book held in the library.
Using the browser plug-in, they bookmark the book from the library
catalogue, but in the Bookmark preview screen there is only the option
to indicate that this item is 'Part of...' something else, whereas what
the Publisher of the List wants to do is indicate that this item 'Has
part...'. In other words, they want to grab the book record from the
catalogue, and then supplement that by adding a 'Has part...' entry to
reference the individual chapter that they want to highlight.
The same constraint operates where a List
Publisher bookmarks a journal record from the library catalogue but then
wants to indicate (using a 'Has part...' option) the specific journal
article that they want to reference.
At present it is possible to cludge a workaround
for this - by adding a 'Part of...' field; then flipping the Resource
Type declaration for the two tabs which now exist; then copying data
around, but this is not fit for purpose.
The Aspire progress board indicates that UI
changes to better support Chapter display is in 'Test' at present, which
is welcome because it will hopefully address the inconsistent management
of the Title element for Books/Chapters in various UI displays, but it
would be good to have Talis's comments on the 'Has part...' idea and the
insights of any sites which have fine-tuned some workarounds for this.
Regards
Richard Cross
Resource Discovery and Innovation Manager
Libraries and Learning Resources
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