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Thanks for this BJ http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3646/3396410350_ea4c65edbc.jpg I would like to add one of these: [image: thumbs-up.jpg] to the posts from Derick Bird, James Overboe and Jenny W :-) David - I am not sure about Facebook helping college students be more aware of privacy issues, in the sense of safeguarding privacy. One of the generational differences I think I see, and wonder if Facebook, Reality TV, etc. have a role in this, is that many younger people are much more willing to share private information and to expect that others will not mind if their details are broadcast too. Jenny - I too have struggled with the stance of absolute "prohibition" on use of the term "suffering". For many years a significant factor affecting my life was constant, excruciating pain. I certainly feel that the effects of pain are generally woefully underestimated. It is possible to say that someone "experiences pain" rather than "suffers from pain" but it just sounds so wishy-washy and, well, wrong. I almost want to advocate expressions like "tormented by pain", "racked by pain" etc. just to get the point across. The "experience" of deep depression is another area where I feel, from personal experience, that "suffering" fits the bill so horribly neatly that the term would stand being rephrased as "suffering from suffering"! (In terms of personal disclosure, I made a very easy, immediate decision a long time ago that, whenever an appropriate opportunity presented itself, I would proudly declare that I had had a mental breakdown and that, although it was horrible at the time, that it did me the world of good. Hopefully helping, if only a little bit, to shattering the stigma around mental illness that oppresses so many people. That said, I would not dream of "outing" anyone else.) The "normalisation agenda" always struck me as inherently and obviously foul, so it reassuring to feel that I won't be regarded as some sort of mediaeval heretic and burnt at the stake for saying so :-) (So refreshing to be able to be emphatic in simply expressing one's own views rather than tippy-toing in commenting on someone else's!) Best wishes, Liz P On 8 June 2010 11:12, David P. Dillard <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > This has been a most interesting discussion. I think in the age of > Facebook, college students are more aware of privacy issues than some may be > giving them credit for. I agree with the post immediately below that it is > good to get the thinking of students out in the open so that if they stay on > list they can learn about what they are thinking from discussion of what > they as a group have stated. But this discussion has gone far beyond this > and gotten into issues like the purposes of this discussion group and how a > list responds to a very different and perhaps controversial use of its > facility. I think that one might need to look far and wide to find another > such archived collection of thinking by students of their knowledge and > attitudes to disability, particularly before and after gaining knowledge > regarding disability from a brief concentrated course about disability, and > further yet to find such a diverse and wide range of opinions about this > discussion collection from these students. > > > I just posted this bibliography on the web yesterday and some on this list > may find its content interesting or useful. > > > RECREATION THERAPY: PLAY THERAPY : > BIBLIOGRAPHY: > A Selective Bibliography of Books from Recent Decades > Regarding Play Therapy and Play Therapy Bibliographies > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32980> > > > Also of possible interest: > > > ELDERLY: AGING GERONTOLOGY GERIATRIC MENTAL HEALTH : > PSYCHOLOGY: SUICIDE: > Older Adults: Depression and Suicide Facts (Fact Sheet) > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32970> > > > > THERAPEUTIC RECREATION : > MUSIC THERAPY : > BOOKS: > Music Therapy Publications: A Selection of Publications from Recent > Decades > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32855> > > > > PHOTOGRAPHY AND PICTURES: RESOURCES : > WEBLIOGRAPHIES: > Online Photograph Resources Including Images and Pictures > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32652> > > > > ART THERAPY : > BIBLIOGRAPHIES : > BOOKS: > A Selective Bibliography of Books About Art Therapy > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32580> > > > > I personally thank the professor who made this discussion possible as this > entire interchange has put issues on the table and provided a range of > thinking regarding them that could not and would not have, I suspect, > occured in any other way. I also think that students who did stay aboard > for this discussion have many more thoughts to think about beyond their > final thoughts and may have gained a whole new chapter to add to what they > learned in the course. I also want to thank all who make this list and its > vibrant discussions possible, this is indeed a very valuable discussion > group. > > > > > Sincerely, > David Dillard > Temple University > (215) 204 - 4584 > [log in to unmask] > <http://daviddillard.businesscard2.com> > Net-Gold > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/net-gold> > Index: <http://tinyurl.com/myxb4w> > <http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/net-gold.html> > <http://groups.google.com/group/net-gold?hl=en> > General Internet & Print Resources > <http://guides.temple.edu/general-internet> > COUNTRIES > <http://guides.temple.edu/general-country-info> > EMPLOYMENT > <http://guides.temple.edu/EMPLOYMENT> > TOURISM > <http://guides.temple.edu/tourism> > DISABILITIES > http://guides.temple.edu/DISABILITIES > INDOOR GARDENING > <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndoorGardeningUrban/> > Educator-Gold > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Educator-Gold/> > K12ADMINLIFE > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K12AdminLIFE/> > RUSSELL CONWELL CENTER SUBJECT GUIDE > http://guides.temple.edu/Russell-Conwell-Center > THE COLLEGE LEARNING CENTER > <http://tinyurl.com/yae7w79> > Nina Dillard's Photographs on Net-Gold > http://tinyurl.com/36qd2o > and also http://gallery.me.com/neemers1 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/neemers/ > Net-Gold Membership Required to View Photos on Net-Gold > Twitter: davidpdillard > > > Bushell, R. & Sheldon, P. (eds), > Wellness and Tourism: Mind, Body, Spirit, > Place, New York: Cognizant Communication Books. > Wellness Tourism: Bibliographic and Webliographic Essay > David P. Dillard > <http://tinyurl.com/p63whl> > <http://tinyurl.com/ou53aw> > > > INDOOR GARDENING > Improve Your Chances for Indoor Gardening Success > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndoorGardeningUrban/ > http://groups.google.com/group/indoor-gardening-and-urban-gardening > > > SPORT-MED > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/sport-med.html > http://groups.google.com/group/sport-med > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sports-med/ > http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/sport-med.html > > > Health Diet Fitness Recreation Sports Tourism > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/healthrecsport/ > http://groups.google.com/group/healthrecsport > http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/health-recreation-sports-tourism.html > > > . > > > > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Derick Bird wrote: > > Very simply put is that one day I shall be sitting quietly in my >> wheelchair >> in some shopping mall minding my own business and along will come one of >> these students who will pat me on my head and put a toffee in my gob to be >> left wondering why I have kicked them in their goollies for their good >> intentions. >> >> Surely the only way to effect charge with regards to perceptions, social >> conditioning, prejudices and understanding is to challenge where criticism >> is not necessarily negative but seen as being constructive. >> >> I am racist - there - I have said it. I am racist because of my social >> conditioning as a kid which is firmly rooted in my subconscious. It is >> only >> by being consciously aware of my racialism that I am able to correct this >> so >> becoming aware of our prejudices to understand where it is coming from is >> it >> possible to effectively change attitudes. Negativity changes to >> positivity. >> >> >> As an elderly disabled gay man I often meet people who tell me that they >> are >> not all homophobic but their body language tells a very different story >> when >> attempting to discuss gay sexuality issues. This body language blocks any >> meaningful discussion especially if the person is in the caring profession >> where it becomes evident they have not addressed their subconscious >> prejudice. >> >> I therefore make no apologies if at least one student changes their >> interpretation of disability in using appropriate language/terminology to >> understand the rights and equality issues of the disabled. I am, after >> all, >> a recipient of the service provision they purport to offer. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jenny W >> Sent: 07 June 2010 17:25 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: class reflections >> >> I wanted to share my thoughts on the critical commentary towards the >> reflection papers. Accept my apologies for writing this in point form: >> >> 1) I agree with the concerns about posting very personal information on a >> public listserv. >> >> 2) For the most part, the students missed the boat on the social model. >> Let's crucify them rather than provide constructive feedback, especially >> since being critical of people who make mistakes is a proven method of >> changing behaviour. >> >> 3) For the most part, I thought the comments by the students were a step >> up >> from the perception of disabled people as sub-human, as better off dead, >> etc. No one ever said eliminating oppression would be easy. >> >> 4) As I understand it the course was 3 weeks long - which isn't a lot of >> time to cover the social model, let alone master it. I suspect no one on >> the >> listserv mastered the social model in 3 weeks. Let's stop kidding >> ourselves. >> >> >> 5) Language isn't the be all end all - and there are different >> terminologies >> employed by different disabled populations. For example, psychiatrically >> disabled people have multiple ways of self identifying and discussing >> their >> experiences, and some of us working within the same model take offense to >> another's concept (e.g., "disabled people" vs. "persons with >> disabilities"). >> I continue to ocassionally see the word "handicapped" used, including in >> policy - the context says a lot about the meaning or intent behind a >> word. >> >> 6) "Suffering is an offensive term"; "disabled people don't suffer"; "an >> abled bodied person should not speak of a disabled person's 'suffering'". >> >> This is where I detach myself from the social model as I suffer most days >> of >> my life and frequently to the point of wanting to off myself. I suffer >> both >> from societal prejudice and from being robbed of many of the physical >> 'functions' of my (previous) body. Some of the critical commentary from >> the >> listserv towards the students' mention of "suffering" implies that >> disabled >> people's experiences are all the same - and that the only relevant part is >> the societal oppression, and that none of us suffer from our impairments, >> and that if we do, it shouldn't be discussed publically or that it's >> somehow >> a product of false consciousness to recognise our impairment-related >> suffering. >> >> I thought the students who spoke of suffering were acknowleging the way >> disabled people have collectively "suffered"...Again, a step above not >> acknowleging "our" history at all. This is similar to how society >> acknowleges "other" groups who have "suffered" from oppression, >> marginalisation, violence, bigotry, etc. For example, I recall one student >> speaking of "not being aware of what disabled people have gone though" (to >> paraphrase); also "the sad history" comment. The language may not have >> been >> appropriate here even if the intention was. >> >> 7) "This is a step backward". >> >> I've witnessed more 'offensive' behaviour in grad studies courses. I also >> don't think we should expect people to un-learn beliefs and ideas in 3 >> weeks >> that have been inculcated from a young age. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Jenny >> >> ________________End of message________________ >> >> This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for >> Disability Studies at the University of Leeds ( >> www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies). >> Enquiries about list administration should be sent to >> [log in to unmask] >> >> Archives and tools are located at: >> www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html >> You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to this web >> page. >> >> > ________________End of message________________ > > This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for > Disability Studies at the University of Leeds ( > www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies). > Enquiries about list administration should be sent to > [log in to unmask] > > Archives and tools are located at: > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to this web page. > > -- I raise money for Communication Matters with Everyclick.com Find out how you can help here: http://www.everyclick.com/lizpanton ________________End of message________________ This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for Disability Studies at the University of Leeds (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies). 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