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Re: Education and Learning Virtual Networking Stream for ALARA's 8th World Congress
Dear Susan,
 
Yes, agreed! I do hope that we can work together to find educationally enriching ways to unblock such non-participatory 'intransigence'/'deliberate ignorance of context', which brings such 'cold comfort' in the short term and unsustainability in the long run.
 
Warmest
 
Alan
 
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.. And as I see it, non-participatory is not to see this, not to do the reworking of self with other that enables natural co-creativity to have presence and be recognised...
Like, for example, my daughters friends, who continue to leave hot taps running lights burning throughout the night, because they have heard of climate change (these are educated, middle class mid 20’s girls) but don’t want to learn anything about it because to do so will mean they have to make a choice about changing their life style. Ignorance is bliss on the slim hope that nothing will change. While there is some participation in choosing denial, there is no participation from that point on, in that the action that is taking place is unquestioning, resisting of learning and change, and denying of the more than self/ more than human connectivity that you point to.

S


On 8/05/10 6:20 PM, "Alan Rayner (BU)" <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear Susan and All,

Actually, I think there is a danger of associating the notion of 'human rights' with the positivistic notion of 'human autonomy' (absolute self-sufficiency). From a natural inclusional view, I think it may make more sense to speak in terms of human 'need' and 'needfulness', which arise not from some kind of 'badness', 'weakness' or 'deficiency', but from the receptive space that is at the focal point (gravitational centre) of natural co-creativity. When this presence is recognised for what it is and how it transfigures, the very ideas of absolute independence and non-participation make nonsense.

The attached paper - which I believe has just been published in the ALARA journal, relates to this point. In these terms 'action' becomes understood as energetic response to local reception and reflection through the 'including middle' (dynamic bodily boundary) of our (non-autonomous) self-identity as local-in-nonlocal neighbourhood. We move from speaking about forceful agency (power) to receptive agency (influence) through the inclusion of transfigural space. We accept and share responsibility instead of declaring sole (and hence soul-less) possession of our world.

Warmest

Alan

 

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Hello Ernie, Brian and everyone

I see a strong  distinction between participatory and non-participatory approaches to all  forms of engagement – not only AR – which opens up a more generic question  about what constitutes “participatory”  across say – planning, design,  journalism, citizenship etc...

If we look beyond the rather unhelpful  terms like “engagement” it seems that decision-making at all stages of an  initiative is key – however – where does expertise fit into this when a task  is requiring specialist input?

Therefore – participation for me needs  to be correlated to a) first hand experience of the issues and b) legitimate  power to act on the issues within your own domain of action c) capacity to  generate resources (of all kinds) to sustain the rights and responsibilities  required of one when the consequences of action are realising.

This for  goes to the source of rights and responsibilities – human rights – which  include the recognised power to make distinctions and contribute to the  architecture of knowledge construction when working in a research environment.  Thus – in reference to rights and responsibilities, equitable access to  creating ontology – then epistemology – then methodology – then  action!

Cheers
Susan



On 8/05/10 9:55 AM, "ernie  stringer" <[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]>  wrote:

 
Brian,

For most people I work with the  "participatory" term is redundant as it is assumed that the process must be  participatory or it is not action research. Having said that, there have  always been people who see action research as something they can do "on"  people, rather than "with" people. However, if you wish to make sure that  people are clear about your position then you should certainly adhere to the  PAR label. In some circles PAR is also seen as taking a particularly  activist approach to inquiry. This comes from its history in South America  where Fals Borda has been a leading exponent of PAR.

Ernie

 

Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:13:07 +0000
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Correct  me if I am wrong..But I take PAR to be an AR when done in  participation/collaboration with someone ...
 
what do you do  when the problem is your own....and no one to share with?!? when it is a  question 'How do I improve what I am doing?' ....I agree that with Winter's  point concerning 'Collaborative Resource'. In that everybody involved  has  a voice. Like my work with the village children and their  teachers..it is democratic and we work together..
but the problem is mine  How do I improve ..it concerns the contradiction I see .. my educational  values not being lived fully as they could....
 I  believe it  is AR and not PAR.
Swaroop
 
 

Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:45:50 +0000
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Ernie,

I  agree that we all want things to get done. However, do we emphasize product  or process.  
Maybe we should do both.
I believe that investing   in participation is likely to be more sustainable than simple action.   From the Chinese proverb "Give me a fish and I will eat one day, teach   me how to fish and I will always eat."

I have  worked with   disaffected young people in New York for fifteen years. One way I was  able to help some of them was by inviting them  into finding solutions  to their problems.  

Best,

Nathalis

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From: Ernie Stringer
Date: Friday, May 7, 2010  4:31 am
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>  
> Nathalis,
>
>
>
> Its not only  capitalists that want to get things done. Today I
> met with a  community group very concerned about the effect of
> drugs on the  youth of their community, and they were very
> insistant on the need  to get things done. Action research
> processes provide them with one  way of doing this.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>  
>
>
> Ernie
>
>
>
> Date:  Fri, 7 May 2010 02:30:37 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re:  Education and Learning Virtual Networking Stream
> for ALARA's 8th  World Congress
> To: [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>  
> Susan, Margaret, Ernie,
>
> You are right on the  money. I never studied AR in college. I
> read a book by Fals Orlando  Borda and Anisur Rahman that had a
> profound impact on me. The  terminology was participatory
> action research. It is later that I  introduced myself to
> action research. Familiarizing myself with AR,  I came to
> realize that it is being done in countries where the cult  of
> efficiency is still the norm. Capitalism is about getting  
> things done.
>
> AR as a tool of the capitalistic  economy structure cannot be
> ignored. We have to be very careful  that we do not use
> knowledge that oppresses us. Marja Swantz and  Budd Hall who
> worked in Tanzania and coined the term participatory  research
> worked in communities where people embraced participation  as
> the way to move toward action.
>
> Swantz and Hall  works speak to me being from the Democratic
> Republic of Congo. We  talk about African socialism. You are
> probably aware of the Bantu  proverb that says "It takes a
> village to raise a child."
>  
> Fals Borda was asked to define Participatory Action Research.  
> He says it is action research that incorporates participation  
> and it is participatory research that leads to action.
>  
> Best,
>
> Nathalis
>
> ----- Original  Message -----
> From: Susan Goff
> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010  8:25 pm
> Subject: Re: Education and Learning Virtual Networking  Stream
> for ALARA's 8th World Congress
> To: [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>  
> > This would make for a very rich and encouraging map – and also  
> > lead us to
> > that perennial question of what  constitutes “AR” - and within
> > that difficult
> >  place of ambiguity versus/within orthodoxy.
> >
> > We  may also encounter the tensions between the industrialised
>  world’s> managerial use of AL (as in Revans, and IMCs) and the
>  so called
> > developingworld use of AL for emancipatory interests  which can
> > sometimes see
> > industrialisation as the  primary cause of their oppression...
> >
> > Always worth  revisiting...
> > Maps are such useful artefacts
> >  
> > Susan
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 7/05/10 10:15 AM, "ernie stringer"
> > wrote:
> >  
> > > One of the issues we face here is that AR is really a  family
> > of related
> > > approaches--participatory  action research, action inquiry,
> > action science,
> >  > etc. that often are included under AR as a generic heading.
> I  
> > think we should
> > > be open to including all  parts of the family, using AR as
> the
> > generic  term.
> > > Those who would like to differentiate particular  approaches
> > might choose to be
> > > included in  the generic map, but have a link that takes
> people to
> >  > organizations with their particular flavour.
> > >
>  > > Ernie
> > >
> > >
> > >  Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:06:45 +1000
> > > From: [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>  > > Subject: Re: Education and Learning Virtual Networking
>  Stream
> > for ALARA's 8th
> > > World  Congress
> > > To: [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
>  > >
> > > Re: Education and Learning Virtual Networking  Stream for
> > ALARA's 8th World
> > > Congress Hello  Margaret and everyone
> > > I have forwarded this link onto our  ALARA members to see if
> we
> > can add some
> >  > flags to the map.
> > > We know that there are activities  in South Africa, NZ,
> > Singapore and India for
> > >  example – but need to confirm with our academic members.
> > >  
> > > Coming from an ALARA point of view, I am interested to  know
> > views of members
> > > of this network about  Action Learning?
> > > In my experience, within ALARA there are  divergences of opinion:
> > > That AL is the same as AR
>  > > That AL is a core capability of AR but not the same
> >  >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > And should we add AL  centres to the map?
> > > Susan
> > >
> >  >
> > >
> > > On 6/05/10 3:03 PM, "Margaret  Riel"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> >  >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> While I know  that is not a solution to the problems that we
> > are framing,  one
> > >> of the things we can do is show how many centers  or
> > university there are
> > >> where action  research is taking place. As part of the Amer.
> > Ed.  Research
> > >> Assoc Sp Interest Group in Action research,  (mouthful!) we
> > have created a map
> > >> of the  Action Research Worl
> > >>
> > world-map>  d.
> > >> It is a visual representation and as such might be  one step
> > in building our
> > >> community as  there is power in numbers. And it gives
> > newcomers a map  to
> > >> begin searching for action research that is related  to
> their work.
> > >>
> > >>  Margaret
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at  5:14 PM, Susan Goff
> > > > wrote:
> > >>>  Hello Marian
> > >>> In my own practice, yes - I have this  experience too. Much
> > of my PAR work
> > >>>  has been involved with establishing a dialectic between
> lay  
> > and professional
> > >>> knowledge around a  specific issue related to social and
> > environmental>>>  sustainability (I work to a social ecology
> > framework in areas  such as DV,
> > >>> early intervention, crime prevention,  catchment management
> > and stormwater
> > >>>  education for example). In most cases the lay participants
> > are  drawn from
> > >>> those who experience marginalisation in  the mainstream,
> and
> > I have always
> >  >>> found that sharing theories of practice and supporting
>  their
> > practice>>> development so they become PAR  facilitators, is
> > entirely understandable and
> >  >>> aligned with them. In many instances I think this is
>  because
> > the so called
> > >>> marginalised  have not been "successful" in formal
> education,
> > and  while they
> > >>> suffer in terms of losing the rewards  of such education
> that
> > the mainstream
> >  >>> economy and culture offers, in some ways they escape
>  > unscathed from the
> > >>> brutalisation for formal  education, grounded as it remains
> > in positivist
> >  >>> assumptions, passive learning, and competitive notions of  
> > knowledge. We work
> > >>> through the  language of philosophies of science such as
> >  epistemology,>>> ontology, and then the windows open onto the  
> > deep understanding of how the
> > >>> world  ticks. Their activism is generally powerful as what
> > the  suspected is
> > >>> realised to be true (my experience  too) and PAR practice
> > offers a way to
> >  >>> fundamentally change the assumptions of power in what
>  > knowledge is (its
> > >>> architecture), what it  contains (information) and how it
> is
> > used  (for
> > >>> ongoing oppression and exploitation or  otherwise).
> > >>> Working with academically trained  professionals, on the
> > other hand, has
> >  >>> often been about addressing the barrier of accredited
>  > knowledge and
> > >>> expertism which is so firmly  tied to the unconsciously
> held
> >  objectivist>>> ontology, which when we offer alternative
>  > ontologies and epistemologies is
> > >>> often met  with derision and other forms of alienation.
> Much
> > of  my life has
> > >>> been about working my practice into  these very difficult
> > relational spaces,
> >  >>> to try to hold to the simple concept that the kind of
>  > knowledge we create
> > >>> and believe has such a  profound effect on the world in
> which
> > we live  ---
> > >>> further, that our global crisis regarding  social and ecological
> > >>> sustainability is a direct  consequence of ontology and
> > epistemology.>>> I  believe that it is a human right for
> everyone
> > to have  a voice about
> > >>> ontology - and in PAR approaches, we  can create
> environment
> > for this to
> >  >>> happen.
> > >>> But, also as my note says -  working in the spaces between
> > the disciplines is
> >  >>> a very hard space to find as most commissions are already  
> > embedded in
> > >>> disciplinary structures  replicated in managerial and
> policy
> >  structures>>> (silos) - so for underfunded and rare PAR
>  projects
> > to get in there, then
> > >>> take  several steps backwards - not only revealing
> > assumptions, but  also
> > >>> introducing the utter irrelevance of  philosophy - before
> we
> > can move
> >  >>> forwards makes it very, very challenging work!
> >  >>>
> > >>> I welcome your practice reflections  on how you are as
> > living theorist in
> > >>>  this space... If we have the time, could we raise some
> case  
> > reflections>>> perhaps - some theories in the sense  of Bohm's
> > use of the word - "a view" of
> >  >>> what we do as living theorists in the spaces between
>  > ontologies of certainty
> > >>> and  possibility?
> > >>>
> > >>>  Susan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  >>> On 6/05/10 2:00 AM, "Marian Naidoo"
> > >>>  > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> >  Dear Susan and all,
> > >>>> >
> >  >>>> > I have been following the conversations over the past  
> > couple of months
> > >>>> > with great  interest and have wanted to respond on many
> > occasions  but
> > >>>> > time and work pressures have  prevented me making a
> > contribution. It
> >  >>>> > is the content of my/our current work that has  prompted
> > me to make
> > >>>> > space  and make a contribution as so much of what you
> talk
> >  about Susan
> > >>>> > is reflected in our  experience at the moment. We are
> > undertaking an
> >  >>>> > evaluation of the impact of Ladder to the Moon (a  
> theatre
> > company) on
> > >>>>  > both the staff development and improved quality of life
> >  of people
> > >>>> > living with dementia in care  homes. Shaun and I are
> both
> > Living>>>>  > Theory Action Researchers and we are undertaking
> > the  evaluation in
> > >>>> > partnership with a  researcher from The London School of
> > Economics -
> >  >>>> > you may imagine that this partnership of opposites  will
> > create some
> > >>>> >  difficulty. In fact the opposite is true - where we are
> >  experiencing>>>> > challenges is in the expectations of the  
> > Commissioners and providers
> > >>>> >  of Services mainly in their search for absolutes - even
> > in  the
> > >>>> > proposal ! Much of our time has been  spent (and is
> still
> > being spent)
> >  >>>> > on dealing with this paradox and managing expectations  
> in
> > this context
> > >>>> > is  a struggle - but one which we are confident we will
> > achieve as  we
> > >>>> > strive to pursue our both and  approach.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>  > Love to all,
> > >>>> >
> >  >>>> >
> > >>>> > Marian
> >  >>>> >
> > >>>> > Dr Marian Naidoo  FRSA
> > >>>> > Naidoo & Associates
> >  >>>> >
> > >>>> > Visiting Research  Fellow
> > >>>> > University of Bath
> >  >>>> > Mob: 07810822820
> > >>>> >  Tel: 01666 840991
> > >>>> > Fax: 01666  841463
> > >>>> > [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
> >  >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> >  >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> >  >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> >  >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> >  >>>> > On 5 May 2010, at 16:34, Jack Whitehead wrote:
>  > >>>> >
> > >>>>> >> Begin  forwarded message:
> > >>>>> >>
> >  >>>>> >> From: Susan Goff
> >  >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> Date: 5  May 2010 01:32:19 GMT+01:00
> > >>>>> >> To:  Jack Whitehead
> > >>>>> >,
> >  >
> > >>>>> >> Subject: Re: Strengthening  action research networks
> > >>>>> >>
>  > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>>  >> Hello Jack and everyone
> > >>>>> >>  And thank you so very much for keeping this
> discussion
>  > flowing. I
> > >>>>> >> greatly look  forward to the significant contributions
> > this network
>  > >>>>> >> is making being heard across the many  streams that
> the
> > Congress is
> >  >>>>> >> “pooling”.
> > >>>>>  >>
> > >>>>> >> From ALARA’s point of  view, we are aware that the
> > fields of action
> >  >>>>> >> learning and action research are widely used  across
> the
> > world, and
> >  >>>>> >> have for decades been hybridising to fit  disciplines
> > (like adaptive
> > >>>>>  >> management in environmental management environments),
> >  cultures (like
> > >>>>> >> “yarning” to work  with Aboriginal and Torres Strait
> > Islander ways of
>  > >>>>> >> knowing), and sectors (like continuous  improvement
> > process to work
> > >>>>>  >> with corporate systems and values).
> >  >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>  There are a few problems that this inevitable
> situation
>  > creates,>>>>> >> which may be good practice  development
> material
> > for this network to
> >  >>>>> >> contribute to, particularly with the living  theory
> > construct in our
> > >>>>>  >> hearts, minds and hands.
> > >>>>>  >>
> > >>>>> >> First, often in these  adaptations, the founding
> > theories, wisdoms
> >  >>>>> >> and strengths (like Revan’s Action Learning  Set
> > practice, Agyris and
> > >>>>>  >> Schon’s action science etc) are lost to obscurity and
> >  with them the
> > >>>>> >> link to action  learning and action research.
> > >>>>>  >>
> > >>>>> >> For example, a colleague  raised the relationship
> > between adaptive
> >  >>>>> >> management and action research in an  environmental
> > educators network
> >  >>>>> >> the other day – they had never heard of AR and  were
> not very
> > >>>>> >> interested  in the connection. It felt like a social science
> >  >>>>> >> practice which was too far away from an  environmental
> science> >>>>> >>  background.
> > >>>>> >>
> >  >>>>> >> Somehow we need to reach across these  epistemological
> > and sectoral
> > >>>>>  >> gaps to let people see their connections with the
> >  extraordinary>>>>> >> origins and developments taking  place in
> > AR and AL, developments
> >  >>>>> >> which could so profoundly contribute to the  work they
> > are doing and
> > >>>>>  >> essentially save time (perhaps our shortest resource).
> >  >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> How  can living theory contribute to the practices of
> > reaching  across
> > >>>>> >> such gaps to instil good  founding theory and quality
> > hybridisation?>>>>>  >>
> > >>>>> >> Second, as well as  losing the wisdom of theoretical
> > innovation that
> >  >>>>> >> the AR and AL fields develop, there are  psychological and
> > >>>>> >> relational  costs. A cynicism and lethargy can enter
> the
> > fields  (both
> > >>>>> >> in the AR and AL fields,  and the fields of
> > “application”) as the
> >  >>>>> >> distinguishing characteristics are smoothed  away in
> the
> > inability to
> >  >>>>> >> address the cultural challenges of keeping  good
> theory
> > evident in
> >  >>>>> >> practice environments. The temptation is to  revert to
> simple,> >>>>> >> pragmatic tools  – and language - in a belief
> that
> > theory is only  for
> > >>>>> >> academics and not related to  practical realities. But
> > tools tend to
> >  >>>>> >> kill off the creativity of thought that theory  generates.
> > >>>>> >>
> >  >>>>> >> An example of this cynicism can be found in  our
> > Australian education
> > >>>>>  >> sectors. One of our tertiary education sectors, the
> >  Vocational>>>>> >> Education and Training sector (VET)  uses
> > learning from experience as
> >  >>>>> >> its primary mode of education, however “Action  
> > Learning” is buried
> > >>>>> >>  in diploma level management certificates and then,
> only
>  > as one
> > >>>>> >> performance criteria  for a whole page of about 30
> such
> > criteria  for
> > >>>>> >> the one aspect of the  qualification. And, the actual
> > form of Action
> >  >>>>> >> Learning is not specified.
> >  >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> In  this sector as well as the academic tertiary
> > education sector  (I
> > >>>>> >> work and study in both) the  idea of action learning
> is
> > embedded in
> >  >>>>> >> the pedagogy but teachers are rarely trained  in it,
> and
> > its explicit
> >  >>>>> >> use is considered only relevant to higher  tertiary
> education> >>>>> >> students such  as diploma or post graduate
> level. If
> > learning is  seen
> > >>>>> >> as a human right, this  reification of AR and AL is
> just
> >  wrong.>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>  >> How can living theory change this misconstruction of
> AL  
> > and AR when
> > >>>>> >> they  become systemised (trapped in the development
> > state they  were
> > >>>>> >> in when they were  systemised, vulnerable to
> hierarchies
> > of access)  –
> > >>>>> >> so that the innovations in AL  and AR practice can be
> > continually>>>>>  >> incorporated at a systemic level and its
> > explicit  presence enjoyed
> > >>>>> >> by all?
>  > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>>  >> Third, another reaction to the loss of theory within
> >  our AR and AL
> > >>>>> >> field that I have  seen is for theorisers to ghetto
> > ourselves into a
> >  >>>>> >> kind of specialisation, even though we preach  
> democracy
> > with generic
> >  >>>>> >> practices – we become specialists of  non-
> specialisation
> > – a problem
> >  >>>>> >> I have been trying to get my head around for  years!
> > What I have seen
> > >>>>>  >> develop is a rift between those who focus on AR and
> AL  
> > theory and
> > >>>>> >> those  who focus on the community or organisational
> >  development>>>>> >> outcomes that such theory can  create. In
> > reality we are deeply
> >  >>>>> >> complementary (perhaps even co-dependent) in  our
> preferences.> >>>>> >>
> >  >>>>> >> How can living theory help us to relate more  
> > effectively with each
> > >>>>>  >> other within our AR and AL streams of variation?
> >  >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> The  systemic costs of loss of theory and resulting
> > losses  to
> > >>>>> >> language and relationship need  to be appreciated for
> > these questions
> >  >>>>> >> to be seen: loss of time in the face of our  global
> > pressures perhaps
> > >>>>>  >> being the most significant.
> > >>>>>  >>
> > >>>>> >> So my hope is that this  strengthening of action
> > research networks
> >  >>>>> >> throughout the world through the significant  
> engagement
> > that you,
> >  >>>>> >> the other Chairs of the Congress Streams and  all
> those
> > participating>>>>> >>  in them offer, will help us recognise
> good
> > practice  across our
> > >>>>> >> differences and reach  towards each other with
> > appreciation and
> >  >>>>> >> strength. I hope that we will be able to  find/create
> > the languages
> > >>>>>  >> and the relationships of respect and egalitarian
> >  interest in each
> > >>>>> >> other as this  network has long exemplified in this
> > “third space”, so
>  > >>>>> >> we can join together to bring the great  richness of
> > diversity back
> > >>>>>  >> into broad action research and action learning fields.
> >  >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>  With kind regards, appreciation and much respect
> >  >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >>  Susan Goff
> > >>>>> >> (President,  ALARA).
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>  
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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