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I just came across the following comment by Robin in the jump cut debate, where he does definitely concede that my views on jump cuts were correct: “Jeffrey was in this case right and I was wrong” https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1005&L=POETRYETC&D=0&1=POETRYETC&9=A&J=on&X=7CEAA42EFFB577A3BC&Y=argotist%40fsmail.net&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4&P=21940 This was in the context of the following exchange between Alison and himself: On Sun, 2 May 2010 at 11:44, Alison said: “Ok, one last jumping at the bait. If I say this again, I'll bore myself to death: is it worth writing things that people don't read? (Should a poet ask that question?) Should I once again point out that "jump cut" is not a synonym for "cut" in film parlance, but a subset of said cutting? And that while I absolutely fail to see how jump cutting can be a useful term in poetic technique, I can see how one could pillage the idea of editing film per se?” https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1005&L=POETRYETC&D=0&1=POETRYETC&9=A&J=on&X=7CEAA42EFFB577A3BC&Y=argotist%40fsmail.net&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4&P=21263 On Sun, 2 May 2010 at 02:45, Robin replied with: Thanks Alison -- that distinctly clears things. So OK, the primary current meaning of "jump cut" in cinematography terms is what might be called The Godard Effect. I can live with that (though I hate to admit that Jeffrey was in this case right and I was wrong). I still think this still leaves some (lots of) issues unresolved, but at least and at last you've given me a *solid answer to part of what was niggling my brain. So thanks again. https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1005&L=POETRYETC&D=0&1=POETRYETC&9=A&J=on&X=7CEAA42EFFB577A3BC&Y=argotist%40fsmail.net&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4&P=21940 As is plain to see, at this point in the debate he definitely agreed with Alison and I. That he later changed his position on this and, later still, came back to it this time claiming that it was he who had originally defined the term has been pointed out elsewhere.