medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Same in the Netherlands. We had a beautiful one in the St John in ‘s Hertogenbosch, and they sold it to the V&A. Henk Van: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Jon Cannon Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 7:27 Aan: [log in to unmask] Onderwerp: Re: [M-R] statues over choir entrance medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Presumably none of these are in the location of the rood itself? I can't imagine *that* ever happening -- but what goes on below the rood could vary in design, as Maddy says, and carry carvings of various kinds, including statuary. In many (most? all?) cases there was a nave altar in front of the screen, which would also attract fittings (perhaps statues?). And yes, it's hard to imagine a church too small to have a screen of some description. Not quite on-topic, but I always find the scale of the destruction of the rood itself in England astonshing - there must have been thousands of the things, yet not a single complete example survives. Jon -- Mobile: 07768 234168 Web: http://joncannon.wordpress.com <http://joncannon.wordpress.com/> (blog and main website) http://joncannonschurches.wordpress.com <http://joncannonschurches.wordpress.com/> (subsidiary blog) _____ Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:26:39 +0100 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] statues over choir entrance To: [log in to unmask] medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From a Welsh perspective: some VERY small single-cell churches had surprisingly elaborate rood screens. The screen at Llananno (and I think several others) had niches for statues along the upper panels. A few examples of rood screens which bore carvings other than the Crucifixion: one reading of a rather obscure poem to the shrine of the Virgin at Penrhys is that the rood screen in the chapel there had the famous miracle-working statue of the Virgin and Child on it. At Llanbeblig (the parish church of Caernarfon) there was a carving of the Trinity on the rood screen - though this did of course include the Crucifixion. Not a free-standing statue but the cross-beam of the rood screen at Pennant Melangell has the life story of St Melangell carved on it. Maddy Dr Madeleine Gray Reader in History School of Education/Ysgol Addysg University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 'We are not bound to win but we are bound to be true' (Barack Obama) _____ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of Cormack, Margaret Jean Sent: Mon 17/05/2010 5:06 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] statues over choir entrance medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture A query for art and architectural historians. It is my understanding that in churches too small to have an elaborate rood screen separating the nave from the choir, there was nonetheless likely to be a beam or other arrangement whereby it was possible to display a crucifix, with or without the Virgin Mary and John the Evangelist on either side or it. (Apologies for my lack of technical vocabulary!) My question is whether we have examples of statues (or perhaps paintings) of other saints in this position, marking the entrance to the choir? My second question, especially for those knowledgeable about the lutheran tradition, is what happened to such crucifixes and/or statues at the Reformation? I believe that in England they were ordered removed (and then put back, and removed again, accordinng to the religious inclinations of the reigning monarch.) Also, if anyone working on post-Reformation material knows of examples of statues - especially of non-biblical individuals - being acquired and displayed by churches after the Reformation, I´d very much like to hear about it. This all has to do with a statue of St. Olaf (a historical, if not a biblical, individual) at a church dedicated to him, which is however not attested in medieval sources. 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